Chris Ryan
Appearances
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
I was trying to be nice.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
He's kind of the perfect example of English teacher guy, English student. Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Cooper in A Star is Born.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
I don't think enough people have seen the movie yet. I think when he is actually like, first of all, this is he's already doing the Lord's work on the promo tour, which we're going to talk about. Yeah. But once people see this movie, I think that he might slingshot ahead of Ralph Fiennes and Adrian Brody. So what are the cases for Rafe Fiennes and Adrian Brody?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
So Rafe is probably a... He deserves it. Body of work. Conclave's really good. Body of work? Like a Joel Embiid type of case two years ago? He's never won. Okay. I'm wearing a thunder hat. I don't even acknowledge that. Uh... Yeah, body of work for Ralph Fiennes. And I think for Adrian Brody, it would be like, this is it.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
This is the performance of a lifetime, even though he's already won, which I think will probably count against him. Already won. That's a strike.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
It's the first movie that I feel like, this and Dune, but definitely Dune 2, where it's like Timmy's a man now. He's actually a convincing guy in his late 20s now. Remember when this happened to Leo?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
It was like the Catch Me If You Can era where it was like, oh, Leo's an adult now. Yeah, he had done The Beach and a couple of other things to try and move into out of heartthrob and into adult. I remember this happened to you when we went to The Ringer.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
That was my blood diving.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Monica Barbaro. Monica Barbaro. Yeah, she was great. She plays Joan Baez.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Yeah, Norton is Pete Seeger. I think it's a movie that'll probably be like, a lot of people are like, I love the performances. I love the music. I don't know if there's like a huge story there. But that's been a lot of musical biographies in general.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
That one had a little bit more inherent tragedy built into it. But I think that this one is just going to really blow people away. Because if you see the trailer, and if you just look at Timothee Chalamet in his day-to-day life, you probably wouldn't guess that he could pull this off.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
So Chalamet's using the opportunity that he might have here where he's odds on, or he's going to be an odds on Oscar favorite, if not like the prohibitive favorite. And he seems to be taking most of that time to make it clear how much you love sports.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
And I love it. Now there's a very, you know, not famous, but infamous clip of him on Kimmel from like eight years ago or whatever it was, where he talks about how much he loves you. Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
He's done Theo Vaughn. He's done game day. He's done. He was good. He was great on game day. When are we getting Timmy on the bill pod? I put the request in.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
The flip side is that like there are photos of him like autograph hounding Amari Stoudemire. Let's talk about it. Let's find out this side of you, the sports side. It's not coming out in a Theo Vaughn podcast. What do you think you would do to him? Would you just put him on Guess the Lines blind? I want to go full 80 minutes.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Travis Hunter, how does he translate to the NFL?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
What if he's not coming on your pod because he has lost most of the money he's made following million dollar picks?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
LeBron and Curry and Durant stay too long? What's your take? Are threes, are we getting too much of a homogenous product with threes?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Yeah, this is what the people want, Chalamet.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
We don't want you talking about how you've just been building your whole acting career towards playing Bob Dylan. We want to know whether or not you think Jalen Hurts can win a Super Bowl.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Oh. Like a guy who's coming up through Texas high school football. Isn't Mike McDaniel more fun?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
If we find out that Mike McDaniel got involved in some crazy Scarface Coke thing in Miami. Mike McDaniel crossed with Pain and Gain. Yes.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
It's like we love these plays you're calling, but our wide receivers keep getting killed out there. Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Oh, like a horror? Yeah.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
I think that this movie, when you see him in Dylan, he's got a little hair on his chest. And I think he needs to be back in the mix for Heat 2 conversations. I don't know what part, but I'm just saying he could be in the conversations. And then I think you're right. A horror movie would be incredible.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Is there anything from... Has he done Fincher yet? He hasn't. He hasn't done Fincher yet. No. It's Villeneuve. It's James Mangold for Complete Unknown. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, Timothee Chalamet, The New Jersey Drone Story. Oh, that would be great. It's like just a guy in Jersey.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
And it could be like Spielberg, like Close Encounters or War of the Worlds.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
That sounds great. Yeah. Close encounters of the drone kind.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Oh, like a Bourne kind of thing?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Oh, sports spy. Maybe he's like... He's like Connor Stallions.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Yeah, maybe he plays Scott Boris. That could be a sports movie. Sure. That would be a great transformation. It'd be like when Leo played J. Edgar.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Because we get Miami. Yeah. There's drugs. You could embed him in the Miami football scene. You could make it be like Teddy Bridgewater is hanging out and stuff like that. It would be awesome.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
You can't leave Cooper like that.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
I don't know how good it is, but I know that I haven't had more fun talking about a TV show this year. Literally, every conversation I have about Landman seems to go 20 minutes. And it's just like... We're hysterically laughing, but also deeply, deeply involved in the plot. This is Taylor Sheridan's... I didn't know that he was ever going to have a home run again after Yellowstone.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
I thought he would have shows... Much less a grand slam. That niche people... People love Lioness. People liked it in Mayor of Kingstown, Tulsa King, whatever. The Yellowstone spinoffs. This feels like it could be the biggest show he made. I don't...
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Billy Bob's no Kevin Costner in terms of the matinee idol department, but in terms of the amount of people watching it and the amount of times where you're just like, there's something in here for everyone. You can be into this because it's Friday Night Lights. You can be into this because it's Sicario. You can be into this because it's Dallas. I don't know, man. I love this show.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
The first two episodes, Ali Larder mostly just appears on FaceTime.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
They were like, well, can you FaceTime in? It would be like basically being like, we're going to have Sangoon just like only check in from the locker room. He's not going to play at all. Yeah. It's an incredible performance by her, but you're right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Like after the first two episodes, I think the show teaches you how to watch it, which is essentially like there are going to be three or four scenes where Billy Bob absolutely monologues and cooks. And the only time that doesn't happen is when Ham calls him to yell at him. Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
And then there's all this domestic drama between Billy Bob's character, Tommy, and her character, his ex-wife, now current wife. And it's just amazing. The funny thing is, did you notice that no one's giving Taylor Sheridan notes? This is Andy's big thing, Greenwald's big thing. There are scenes where you're like, how much longer is this scene going to go?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Like the dinner scene from episode four, I think, where she makes the wild boar bolognese. Yeah. And then he's like, are you on your period? And like, there's just, and you're like, how fucking long is this happening for? And it feels like you're just like in some sort of experimental drama.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
He just wrote it for him. It's in his voice.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
A little bit of the NASA guy from Armageddon.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Yeah. And I don't know what Allie Larder thinks the show is, but whatever she's doing, I love it. But the show seems to be bending towards her now. Like in the beginning, I was like, this is insane. Like she's in a bikini on FaceTime crying every scene.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
And now it seems like she is an integral part of the drama and is like in every scene, even when guys are getting absolutely murdered by falling pipes. Right.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
What's weird is that Demi Moore is in this show.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
And if you would watch the trailer or if it was just the call sheet, you'd be like, yeah, Demi Moore is going to have a much bigger part in this show than Allie Larder.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
needed the extra name but so those two and then the actor who plays Billy Bob's son in this oh Jacob Laughlin yeah so he was in this movie he's just really good yeah he was in a movie a while back this Jeff Nichols movie called Mud that's really really good when he was a kid actor and I haven't really seen him recently and he's awesome He is kind of like the Matt Saracen character.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
That's a good comparison. The prodigal son who wants to be an oil man but doesn't want to do it on his dad's back. He's just really soulful, really good. It could be really bad. This show would not work if he wasn't doing a good job.
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Well, he does a real live forever McBain speech in the middle of that.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
And Dave Annabelle on Yellowstone.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
One of the best parts about this show, which is so refreshing, is that it's not a overall mystery or overall plot that you have to keep track of all these different moving pieces.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
You're just like, there's a problem every week. It's like dead body in the oil well that we got to figure out. We got another clue. Yeah. It's just every week, it's like West Wing or like Grey's Anatomy or like any big, really successful drama. They just give you a problem that Billy Bob has to solve by the end of the episode. Or not.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Or he's like, we're fucked and Jon Hamm's going to get mad at me.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
It's awesome. It was so good. One other thing I wanted to mention is that I think I've realized that I'm a secret huge fan of shows where people have to travel a huge distance to have a very simple conversation. This was a big thing for Ozark where it was like, I need to see you. And they'd have to drive all the way around the lake to the resort or all the way back. In car scenes?
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
This scene, this show is basically like, They need to have a conversation. You have to get on a private plane and fly from the Permian Basin to Dallas to get yelled at for five minutes. And I was just like, if we had that at the Ringer, if the Ringer was based in West Texas and you were like, I'm going to need to talk to you. And I'm like, I got to go.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
How fast can you get from Fort Worth to Houston? The private plane leaves Permian. I fly to Dallas and you're like, I didn't much care for that Celtics team yesterday.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Let's talk about it. It is like we said about Tatum. I know you're emotional, but don't ever yell at me. I'm your boss.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Yeah, but I think that he does a really good job explaining things for people who might be looking at this more from the business perspective. Like the two speeches he's given, well, the one... You're talking about Ham. Yeah, Ham. The one where he's like, this business is like constant crisis punctuated by extraordinary success. I'm like, that sounds like an incredible idea for a show.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
And two, like when he's just like, I'm the bad guy. Like everybody hates... I've accepted the fact that the oil industry is the villain. So all my job is to do is keep oil between this number and this number. Well, and then the lawyer... Oh, yeah.
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Yeah.
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
And Billy Bob's got to memorize like five pages of a monologue. Right. It's an incredible feat athletically. I do agree. Ham seems to be always getting off a plane, getting off on his mobile phone and then hanging it up. Yeah, they're like, John, can you film from two to five? Yeah. We just need to get off a plane and you're yelling at somebody.
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
I put on a suit. I got off a plane. I talked to him. And Demi Moore was like, I loved it. Two-day shoot. I think that this show does really remind me that it's okay for TV to be a lot of fun. We have had a nice long stretch of prestige television that's very serious, very like, this is about important issues. There are important issues in Landman, but you can take them as seriously as you want.
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
There is at least three things in each episode where you're like, what did I just watch?
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
But the father-son story is like definitely really affecting. Like I really, really like it.
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
Are you going to say the line? There's been a couple of lines that are like... Oh, yeah. They'll push in almost an R. Yeah? Yeah. So she says, I may have to suck Victor's dick to get my Bentley.
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
I honestly wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, I think that Yellowstone was like a phenomenon where there wasn't really anything like that. There was no Western on TV at that moment, I don't think.
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
This is a little bit more familiar to people, but I think as it keeps going, they're probably only going to be... It's so popular, I wouldn't be surprised if some huge star does a guest star next year. That's... I was going to bring that up. Andy Garcia is supposed to be on this season. It's going to be getting bigger and bigger.
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No, people were actually watching Yellowstone. Yeah, right.
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You know what's crazy about this show too is how fast they made a couple of the sets become like instantly recognizable and kind of iconic. Like the cafe that they all hang out at, the bar, where it's like everyone's drinking all day long because they have like crazy shifts. Yeah. And then, like you said, the McMansion and the Country Club, you're kind of like, I already know this world.
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Like this is, it usually takes a show like years to be like, oh, and you know this place and you know that place. And it's like, no, they instantly kind of hit all of that stuff.
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Yeah.
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So where does it go? Where does it go? From here?
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
I think that they'll probably keep playing out the adversarial relationship between Monty and Tommy, but I think that the cool thing about this series is that it'll probably be like Yellowstone where there's a big bad every season. And so there will be a big plot for each season, but all the parts will stay the same.
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
What are the lessons?
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And the daughter is just going for it. She's the sister of a woman who was on The Bachelorette.
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The NBA’s Danger Cycle, Plus Usyk Is Invincible, ‘Landman’ Can’t Lose, and Chalamet Will Win the Oscar With Chris Mannix and Chris Ryan
And yes, is 28. I mean, she's 28 years old. She's playing like an 18 year old. It is an extraordinary bit that she's just like, I'm nude in this house while like the lawyer guy is like, I can't look at you.
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Yeah, Succession is way more prestige.
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Hardest one to thread. I think it's more, it would be something that like David E. Kelly did. It would be like Big Little Lies, maybe. That's good. Like that kind of like, this is very pop. It's got big people in it. People will just like looking at the furniture.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Or you would
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My mom's like that with Lioness. She was like, have you heard about this Lioness show? And I'm like, yeah, I have. Right. And then all of a sudden it was like, all my episodes were done. So do you think Taylor Sheridan took like the limitless pill?
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So he has now written at least 40 hours of television this year.
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I don't get it.
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I don't know, but this is like, we haven't seen a run like this in Sorkin, where Sorkin wrote every episode of West Wing. Can you imagine? And this show, honestly, it kind of reminds me of West Wing a little bit. It's a lot of people like walking and talking and solving problems in entertaining ways.
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But there would be like three good plots per episode of West Wing.
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There would be like an overarching thing where it's like the president's sick or whatever. But like for the most part, it would be like Josh is going to solve something. Sam's going to do something. And like CJ is going to do something. And then you get a big speech from the president. Yeah.
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There is no writer's room.
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I'll tell you what is unprecedented. It's unprecedented for someone to have the biggest show on TV end while possibly one of the biggest shows on TV is beginning and you're responsible for both of them. I can't think of another time that's happened.
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That you were writing both of them.
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That's coming up next. I thought you were going to be like first take, but for like actual land man. Oh, that'd be amazing.
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Should Cooper have kept it in his pants? Coming up.
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Does it use more energy than we think?
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Oh, I can't even remember. I just refer to her as Allie Larder. She doesn't need a name.
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Yeah. Because Allie Larder's Instagram. She's like, Angela's back. Episode four.
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The odds of Mallory loving the show are 100%. She texts me on Saturday saying six hours till Landman. I'm like, Lamar Jackson's on.
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Yeah. I'd like him to go to Boston and then orchestrate a trade for Kyrie Irving to come back to Boston with him. And then maybe orchestrate a trade for James Harden to come back.
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Yeah.
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Wasn't there, like, a 15-minute honorarium to him during the dunk contest or something? Like, yeah, that was weird. Yeah, it really feels like we're pushing. He's still alive. Like, he's right there. Right, then he came out.
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Vince Carter's at SNL 50, like, ah, it's all right.
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Is he coaching? He's coaching now, right?
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What are you going to do if Leon Rose trades Josh Hart and that podcast gets broken up? Fuck.
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Paul George, did you guys know that I found this stat? Apparently he's recorded 19 podcast episodes as a member of the Sixers and scored two points in his last game as a member of the Sixers before the All-Star break. It's kind of a bummer, yeah. Turns out that's why he was available. You know, like... Do you want to walk us through where I'm at? Yeah. Where are you at? It's pretty dark.
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I kind of do, man. That's why I'm wearing this fucking thunder hat. It's just pretty brutal. I think Maxie is the thing that's made me most sad because he's obviously so bummed out by this that even his effervescence is dimming. The Embiid thing is, I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't think he's ever going to be what we thought he was going to be.
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We thought Gordon Hayward was going to pass away that night. You know what? Eventually Brad Stevens.
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Least favorite athlete ever? That's just what legacy media wants you to believe, man. Yeah.
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Are we picking that up? They're buds. All right. Lance Armstrong. Lance Armstrong. Thank you, Lance, for coming tonight.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to go 19 just because it feels super recent. I'm sure it's genuine, but I don't recall him being a part of the Eagles before 2017. She's more recent. She was on a late night show talking about loving the Giants five years ago. So it's just cool. You can love who you want to love, but she just switched around on the NFC.
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That's a really good one. I like that one. How about you, Sean? Before every game, he's like, Neil.
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Bill, how many times have you seen the Brutalists in theaters?
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It was like two and a half. Brutalist is too long, but a nine-hour Celtics documentary was just right. Could have been longer.
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I actually do want to keep teasing this out of how you'd fix murder.
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It's like 40 minutes longer than John Wick 4.
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He's the people's champ, though. People love this kid.
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That's true.
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Yeah, I did. It's an underappreciated classic.
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We were talking about a bunch of 2s recently.
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We should jump straight to Heat 3. Just skip 2. Skip 2. Smart idea. You avoid the 2 problems and then it's just like, just finish the trilogy without making 2.
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Ooh.
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International movie. That guy is about to be right in the frame with Pope Francis. He's in the mix. What's your most disappointing sequel? I got recency bias, but Gladiator 2 is a real bummer. It had all the guys in it. It had all my guys, and it just wasn't as good. Isn't Ridley Scott like 88?
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Are you trying to get a raise? What's going on?
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We're going to circle back.
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We almost died on the way there and back, yeah. It was fucking cold.
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Is Caitlin Clark the most popular basketball player under 30? I mean, she's definitely like appointment television, right? Like if she's going off, people are going to be like, we got to turn this on. You got to turn this on. How many basketball players? What was that? Bronny? Yeah, definitely. Some of those G League games, me and all the fellas. Just watching some G League.
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Do you think it would have been funny if LeBron had backed out of the All-Star game and inserted Bronny in his place? Yeah.
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He should just start doing stuff like that. Would you have been surprised? Adam Silver would be like, what can I do? No power here.
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You just won the Super Bowl. I'm fine. What do you have, CR? The Mavs. Yeah. Mavs in six over Boston. Derek Lively makes a great comeback. No, I think it's the Thunder. I think the Thunder are, like, historically good. Thunder over Celtics. What's your pick, Bill?
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How are you feeling about second row Joe these days? Well, first of all, we call him Coach Joe. Yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to disrespect him. I don't know where I got that.
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We're going to be here for like two and a half hours, by the way.
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I'll take Neon Bordeaux from Blue Chips as my center. It's Shaq. Only red flag is that he got 520 on the SATs and misspelled his own name, but... Culturally biased. I think once we get him into our program and we just let our culture loose on him, it'll work and I get my big man. So I'm really excited. So I thought he was going to be the first pick. Me too.
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But then I didn't know Shea was going to pick first.
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I forgot that Patino coaches Western Texas in that movie.
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If Palinka calls Neil McCauley for Luca, does he go, there's a dead man on the other end of this phone?
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He's going to... There's another 7'5 guy in the tournament. He's going to take it over.
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I think I'll take Billy Hoyle from White Man Can't Jump. I like it. I like it. It's a little bit of a debate as to whether Billy or Sidney are who's better. You know, I know they played right into my hands. But I think Billy just has that sense of fashion, that flair, that big game appetite. I love it. I would say that, so go ahead.
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And if he hadn't had the distraction of Rosie Perez being on Jeopardy, who knows what he could have achieved, you know? We're just a distraction to Rosie Perez in general.
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Well, we have to see how my backcourt fills out, Bill, but thank you for asking.
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A lot of this. A lot of his stuff is in slow-mo.
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I liked it to the extent, but it's really going to have to just convince these guys to want to play more basketball and to play more hard basketball. I was thinking about this. I just think that this is probably entering the Pro Bowl zone where you just got to move it to the end of the season after the season. I just feel like you guys want to play. We'll have like seven foot rims.
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He hasn't picked in a while, right? Did I screw this up? Yeah, you went this way. Then we went that way. You picked two. Then you went back to me. Then we went this way. Then you went... This is going great. It's your turn. It's your turn. No, it's...
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Kyle, turn the fucking TikTok camera on. I'm taking Jimmy Chitwood from Hoosiers.
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It's a great pick. It works for the Lakers. It works for Team Chris. It's fine. Clutch just absolutely nails. He's mostly been playing on farmland for most of his life. So I feel like when we get him into a modern sports science program, who knows what he could do.
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You can do somersaults, you know, like whenever you can get trampolines out there. Like it could be like basketball, but I don't know about like the mid season after Luka gets traded. Let's all stop, go to this place and pretend like we care about this game.
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I'm up again? Yeah. Okay. I'll take Shep from above the rim. Our advanced analytics team loves this. 40 points in two minutes. He's 14 for 14 from the field. Just like bombing away from three way before three and D was a thing. In corduroy pants.
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He was still in his work clothes.
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No, no, no. Go back and watch the tape, man. Come on. We studied it.
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Start at the beginning of escape.
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You don't have to worry about load management.
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Guy gets his head cut off, comes back to work the next day.
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What's that? Is his owner a GM?
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CR? All right. So I have Shep. I've got Chitwood. I've got Hoyle. And I've got Neon. It's a great team.
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I need a deep bench guy who's going to keep everybody loose. So I'm going to go with Jim Carroll from Basketball Diaries played by Leonardo DiCaprio. I love the idea of him getting Jimmy Chitwood into heroin. You know, just to mix it up. Six man? Yeah, deep bench. Another white guy. I'm sorry about that. By accident.
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I don't know why. That's a good laugh, Phil.
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I'll take Tupac from above the rim as my coach. Oh, birdie. Birdie. Interesting motivational techniques, communication style, and I just think that this is a team of guys like you've mentioned, quitters, and perhaps Tupac will motivate them to do otherwise.
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Yeah.
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That's right. So I have two. Now Sean's up. Now Sean's got?
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Gone with the Wind is a weirdly popular movie in my locker room, actually. Yeah, right. LAUGHTER LAUGHTER
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Why are you staring right at me when you're saying that?
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Would that go over well if I did that? All right. Let's think about it for a second. For my owner, I've been thinking about this a lot. From a heist film, I'm going to go with Krista from The Town, played by Blake Lively. I just think Blake Lively in the owner's box is box office. That's just absolutely amazing content. And do I get a second pick here? No. Okay.
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You only pick once. Okay.
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That's okay. Just one pick or two picks now?
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Alright, for my assistant coach, I'm going to do Rusty from Ocean's Eleven. Just absolute, like when the coach yells at you, when Tupac's done yelling at them, Rusty will just be like, sorry guys, don't worry about it. He's not really going to kill you after the game. So yeah, I'll go with Rusty for assistant coach.
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You could win like seven games in the regular season and they get the one seed?
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You never know when he could just light it up, like, just absolute great vibes guy. What race is he?
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I have Tupac. He has Ben Affleck.
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I had an idea I wanted to bounce off you for this, because I was thinking about, because if you say Pro Bowl and you make the NBA more like the NFL, why doesn't the NBA do bye weeks for teams but never take an all-star break? The all-star weekend always happens at a time where football's over, you want basketball. You want important basketball games.
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Chris, you're up again. All right, so I need a sixth man and an assistant coach?
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Um...
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We can do the NBA player playing themselves, just one pick. Do it. All right, LeBron from Trainwreck. Yeah. Plays basketball. Why boo? You guys really want me to take Norton? Yeah. Sorry for just trying to put together a diverse locker room, Austin.
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Wait till Krista from the town talks to him for five minutes. Hey, LeBron, here's some Percocet.
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Why not just give the Bucs 10 days off, but then bring them back and have it all work so that teams have bye weeks throughout the season? That was a Joel Embiid joke you guys didn't hear because of the mic. But yeah, that is what they're trying to do with Joel Embiid.
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Yeah, it's like the guy who came up with starting Draymond or whatever.
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All right, for my assistant, I'm going to go Shooter from Hoosiers to his hopper. Woo! I kind of like the amount of substance abuse happening on my team. Yeah. Either these guys are going to keep each other on the straight and narrow, or we're going to turn into train spotting.
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It's like when Spielberg made Schindler's in Jurassic Park the same year.
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It's just one last sixth man or bench guy here for me.
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I will be taking, this is the easiest one. I'll take Kelso from Heat. The guy who plans the whole robbery. The guy was just like, it's just out there. You just got to go grab it. So yeah, that's easy.
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No, it's a heist movie, bro. Oh, okay.
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Yeah, a lot to watch tonight, Bill. Now You See Me, Ambulance.
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Like, probably the android from Prometheus getting picked before I got to it.
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But this is the part of the behind the music where I'm like, I can do anything. But then Bill's like, we knew right then that Chris was overextending. Mountains of coke everywhere. It's like, no, put me on more pods.
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2011.
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Was me. My reaction was I was coming out of the movie Companion and was just like utterly shocked. Couldn't believe it. My favorite thing about it since it's happened is definitely that the Mavericks keep finding executives to do profiles where they're like, I underestimated the crowd reaction to this. Like Rick Welts just did one. I was like, Rick Welts works for the Mavericks?
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And they're just pushing these guys out on the ice floe to get shot with arrows like every other day. It's amazing. Nico's doing a good job getting other people involved.
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I kind of like having crazy owners back, though.
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I swear to God, if the Lakers get some crazy deal for a center over the summer that they were saving the spot for or the trade assets for, I'm going to lose it.
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When Rich Paul was like, I had no idea.
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Luca was like, I just got an awesome $15 million house in the greater Dallas area.
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Yeah, he kind of dresses like Neil McCauley a little bit. Maybe a slightly tighter slack. Do you think he has a condo with no furniture in it? Yeah, because genies never let him feel comfortable enough to buy furniture. I do like the idea of it being a Ryan Murphy FX series, but I would want the same cast as the Aaron Hernandez show. Like, just put them in...
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Get Norbert Leo Butz to play Patrick Dumont.
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That means you get to play Donald Sutherland who benefited. That sounds great.
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And the Clips just have a bunch of fucking dudes to throw at him. What are you looking up?
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But if this were abnormal for him in a game, I think those excuses...
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Um... Plus 140. That's what I got it at.
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It's not going to happen until they play Lakers. Um, Oh, it's Clippers-Denver.
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Alvin had a good fight with Shaq. Remember that one?
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Celtics or Orlando? Go for it. Come on. Give us a couple minutes, Bill.
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Oof. Okay. We'll end with Pacers bucks. Best for last. I love the Pacers in this series.
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Grant Williams, six threes. Rushmore.
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Zero turnovers. Well, tomorrow we have Detroit, New York, and Clippers, Denver, which I think is a
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Because if I'm Milwaukee, I need Dame to come back with the third game. And I also need him to be pretty good.
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I'm getting in the way.
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Jazz finals. Michael B. Jordan, his best performance ever.
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So movies not dead yet. No, go to the theater kids. And you're still in the office. What are you talking about? You're still, not the office, the studio. Yeah. There's a couple episodes. One episode I... Dipped a little. Yeah, it's a little erratic.
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Yeah. Are you excited for the Damon Affleck movie? Which one is it? It's called Rip. I think it's called Rip. It's a heist movie. Yeah, of course I am.
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Man, he was so good for that three weeks before he got hurt.
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NFL draft? Yeah.
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You just called him? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I actually did do a little bit of research. I did some Zapruder on this. It does feel like Dort's slipping before he even realizes that Ja's there.
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Do you want to get it off your chest early or do you want to save it for later?
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Yeah, it's pretty rare to go into a closing stretch of a game, especially with a comeback that significant. I think they were down 29 at the most, right?
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And then to have the defensive possessions be the thing you're going to walk away remembering, it's not like Corey Brewer and Josh Smith bombing away. It's like, no, Alex Caruso literally stopped the Grizzlies from scoring 10 times, and that swings the game.
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I thought you were going to say as a guy with a receding hairline.
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Yeah, I thought he had that one nice shot that went high off the glass towards the end of the game. Every once in a while, he pulls something out of his bag. His handle does not really... He doesn't have the handle of somebody that you can trust in a fourth quarter or in a big game like that right now.
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I will say that for Memphis, it's probably incredibly difficult to navigate the Jaws here, Jaws not here. Yeah. Because they feel like such a different roster when he goes out. It automatically makes... you know, your canards like that much more important. Your conchar is important. Like, whereas those guys should be additive and not essential.
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And so I just, I really feel for Memphis, they're probably not, they're probably never going to win this series and they were probably going to get, maybe not swept, but it was probably gonna be a gentleman's sweep. And now it just seems like this might be a franchise altering night for them.
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I hated it, man. It was just like, it's the, the, the jaw experience and such a sick nutshell where he was about to do something incredibly sick.
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And you're like, this is why I watch basketball. This is incredible. And then just the freaky fluky stuff. But I want, I want like guys to try to do stuff like that. That's why you watch hoops.
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I missed it live, so I went back a couple of minutes because when I flipped over, I flipped over when I saw Verno tweet like, oh no, and I was like, this could only be one of three or four things. So I went back And when I established it wasn't a Cowboys draft pick situation, I was like, oh, let me find when the jaw injury must happen.
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And I went too far back and you can watch him and you can see like all the life in his eyes. And he's just such the heartbeat of the franchise while he's out there. And like the crowd is feeding off of him. So it was really eerie to go back like even a minute before the injury and then it all changes.
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Yeah, it's really hard. I said this last Thursday, it's hard for me to imagine them not winning the title. I thought that this was a real cool gut check win despite the fact that the headline will be Ja. The chat thing that I noticed down the stretch, Bill, with the threes was just how he rendered Edie kind of unplayable.
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I mean, he was still out there, but watching Edie try to get out to the perimeter, I was just like... Just got to grab it.
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He was MFing the crowd as a defender. I've not seen that recently.
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They look like a team that fired their coach and GM a week before the season ended. Sure do.
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And there's three guys on the team who have been the sort of core of this run. And it just feels like the end of a cycle. And these guys are looking around for reinforcements. And the only place they can look is to Westbrook, who's bounced around the NBA for a couple of seasons now.
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And the bridge to nowhere, like the young kids that they were supposed to develop just are obviously not ready or capable. And Porter, on any given night, you're like, are you on planet Earth or not, man? So it's just... We've got one arm now, too.
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After watching these three games, I'm surprised they won one. That's what I'll say.
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I mean, Adelman is doing his best, I guess. I don't even know what you would do with a week's prep to become the head coach of a championship hopeful. But I think if we were wondering whether or not Josh Kroenke was like, oh, I think we actually have the pedigree to win the title.
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We just need different voices in the room versus I want to get this stuff, these guys out of here so we can get ready for the draft and the offseason now. I think it might be the latter.
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Just how taxing title runs are. I mean, even I think your beloved Celtics are experiencing this a little bit physically. Obviously, that has something to do with the elbows and the dives going on in that series.
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But it's amazing to watch just even Jokic and how the tank is kind of like... I mean, it's not empty, but it is certainly half full and maybe has a little bit of accidental diesel in there at this point. And maybe he's looking around and he's saying, I don't have any help. But how do you rebuild this team? I'm asking you because I'm like, what are their moves here? What are their options?
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Do you have to take two steps back to take a step forward? I hate to be writing their obituary already, but he's too amazing.
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They squeaked out a Game 1 win in overtime and didn't really look that in it tonight. Game 2 was a little closer, but I just feel like the Clippers are attacking them from all over the court, like Rob said earlier. So the narrative here is like... Man, like winning a title and being competitive over the course of a three year stretch will really take a lot about a franchise.
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And it's so hard, right? Because if you look back in retrospect, it's like, we've talked, I think everybody's talked about this on their pods and stuff, but like... KCP obviously would have been a valuable person for this team to have. Within the logic of the team's construction, it would have worked. But it's not like KCP set the world on fire as a member of the Magic. He has not.
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I can see why they were like, we need to get off these guys. We can't pay guys a little bit out of their prime for past performance. I understand all that, but... Jesus, when you're watching what they put out there, it's like it's unbelievable that they won a title a couple years ago.
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The flip side with the Clippers is they can beat you with just their two best guys, or they can beat you from the margins with Powell. If Batum's going to hit four threes, I don't know what the magic Nick Batum three number is for a victory, but it looked a lot like tonight.
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Yeah, and it seems like the theme of all of these teams seems to be losing out on their core role players or veterans that are looking for a new contract. They miss those guys, whether it's the Warriors, the Bucs, whether it's Denver, and then they wind up regretting it because it's so impossible to find that exact guy, the exact KCP, the exact... name warrior role player.
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I mean, I guess Iggy Buncey Potey retired. I mean, it's the person that holds everything together and does all this little stuff. And I just, I don't even, as someone who cheers for somebody who's not contending, I can't even imagine how difficult it must be. Who's your team? I forgot. You weren't cheering for Toby tonight? I'm cheering for basketball. I'm cheering for the Pistons.
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I have a suggestion for you for the last act of your career. You've done a lot with your career, but I want you to lose all your hair, then grow out a crazy sports writer receding hairline, and become the poet of the Intuit Dome, and just write about Ben Simmons' connection to the wall. You know? You know?
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I think it was probably intentional. I don't think you can have a roster so overly committed to this starting five and this core and just be like, but it's still a one-man show and you guys just stand in the corners. And also, I mean, Brunson missing time over the course of the season.
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I think, tellingly, when he missed some time in this last bit of the regular season, that's when Bridges kind of blossomed a little bit. I mean, I know that Knicks fans have a love-hate relationship with him, but... he needed to be a little bit more featured and a little bit more set up to be a feature player. I got to admit, can we talk a little bit about the Brunson experience? Yeah, let's go.
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I'm so excited to do so. I don't... Don't dislike Jalen Brunson. Yeah.
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If I was a Pistons fan, I would hate Jalen Brunson. Yeah. And I want to like him. It's hard right now. I'm not enjoying this.
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He makes Harden look like Bronco Nagurski.
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The Pistons fans were trying to show him some shame. They were chanting F. Jalen Brunson or F. U. Brunson, and it wasn't really... It obviously kind of fired him up a little bit. He closed really well. I think it's probably his size throws me off a lot because he goes in there like a pinball, really, and he just starts flying around the lane.
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The head snap thing is jarring, I think, to watch visually. Um, I think it's the stuff on the perimeter that bothers me the most, the diving in, like, you know, diving into guys when there's like there, he's being defended outside the three point line and just shoulder dropping, going into them or, you know, flopping down after he's coming down from a shot.
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Cause he thinks somebody is in his landing zone. But, uh,
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When Towns got into it with, who was the piston he got into it with? That was Paul Reed, wasn't it?
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And then they pinched Isaiah Stewart on the bench.
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And he's wearing like a full suit and he's just like, shit, I got to show it out there.
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The funniest part about this game to me was that there were more dads in the crowd than like a California youth soccer match. It was like Bridges was fighting with Tim Hardaway Sr. Rick Brunson was fighting with Cade Cunningham and with Jalen Rose. I was just like, this is an amazing testament to like... It's like, what's going on with the amount of kids in the NBA? That's true.
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He's like Woody Guthrie riding the rails. He's just, yeah, you know, he's just a vagabond of the NBA. I mean, I think that, The problem for the Pistons is that they're relying on Schroeder, Tim Hardaway Jr., and Beasley, although Beasley had an awesome season. Those guys can't be your second options, third options. Cade needs one more guy. I think they're hoping or hoped it was Jaden Ivey.
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I love Jaden Ivey, even though he hasn't quite realized his potential tough injury. I have to ask you guys. Durant?
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Oh, no. No.
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No, come on, man.
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Why not? Yeah. I wanted to know whether or not when you watch the Knicks, Rob, Does this look like a team that can go very far with this style of basketball? This just feels very much like we have now pushed this to the limit of what this team can do under Tibbs and with this roster construction.
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It's just more like it is the guy. It's like the guy in Trainspotting who throws the pint glass over his shoulder and doesn't see where it's going. He's not quite Begbie, but he has like a little bit of like, who started the fight? Yeah, this is weird.
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But he was pissed. I mean, like, do you think... I think the thing is that Brunson's... Whether or not you like watching it, it clearly works because it drives other players nuts. Completely. And, you know, like, I don't really have, like, the rule book in front of me to judge whether or not that was a backcourt violation in the last second there. But he was doing a lot of stuff to just get Durin.
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Durin was going nuts for a while there. Yeah.
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I was trying to, I was asking a couple of people last day. I was like, what is the Rudy original sin against Luca? And I guess he did punch him in the stomach or hit him in the stomach like a long time ago. Yeah. But I always laugh. I was at the game, game one. He's shit talking Rudy the entire game, like with like true hatred in his eyes. And nobody from the T-Wolf stands up for Rudy.
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It is one of those things where it's just like, you know what, man, go ahead. You know, if you want to waste energy telling this guy to go fuck himself, that's fine. So I would definitely put Luca and Rudy up there pretty high team wise.
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Yeah, they were getting in his ass a little bit. And I saw Draymond put up an Instagram story that was like, that's a dirty play. But I think when you go back and watch it, it's really hard to see Dort like, oh, I'm going to tackle John Midair here. He's slipping as Pippen turns around. I would challenge any human being
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That's the funniest thing is you getting really cranky because you're worried one of the Celtics is going to get mortally injured during this.
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It would be funny if after the Pacers get eliminated, you give James Johnson your dad's tickets so that it's just...
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Me?
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Same for you, Rev?
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Bill, did you notice it was the loading up on Ant? Because he said after the game that it felt like a zone and that he has to go watch the tape. But in game one, they were loading up on Ant. And I didn't necessarily think it was zone, but they were definitely cheating onto him. And I thought they were moving the ball really well in game one. The Wolves were...
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Obviously, they had threes coming out of their ears that game, but it didn't feel significantly different on TV watching it. So I was kind of surprised that Ant was like, well, that was a new wrinkle. I hadn't seen that yet. Yeah, I didn't see it at all.
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But meanwhile, home prices on the Davion Peninsula are just... They're shooting up, man. I mean... It's a really competitive market.
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I thought like I agree with Rob like I think Wolves Lakers is the best remaining series and the one that I feel like has the most chapters I don't know how many games it's going to go but after game one I was like holy shit these guys have more athleticism than the Lakers like this is crazy and now I'm a little bit more measured about it.
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After a week, what's the team you're most impressed by? It's got to be the Clippers, I think, right?
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Yeah. You'll be happy to know that folks on Warriors Twitter are doing collages of Emei Udoka coach teams diving at other guys' legs and making dirty plays. So there are watchers on the wall making sure our refs are accountable. Wow.
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You got it though.
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I don't think they've gotten a chance to watch them. I think this is like a good corollary maybe even to the Rockets where your difference between I watch national games and kind of keep up on pods versus I'm out here just getting deep into NemHeart tape is a pretty wide gap. And I would probably say that I'm a little bit in the former camp. So it's like I...
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I know everything that has gone on with the Bucs this season. They are getting Portis back as well. Is that right? I don't know what to expect with that. But like, look, I just think that it would be so funny if the Pacers just got like a weird slip and slide track back to the Eastern Conference Finals again and that this was like a sneaky great team.
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I do think best player in the series has got to be Giannis and I still think I'm kind of leaning that way.
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Well, you want a big picture. I'm also not a cardiologist. Like, I don't know what's going on with Dame's, like, this blood clot thing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, but you can't tell whether it's Keanu Reeves being like, I keep getting injured on these movies. This needs to end. Or if he's like, you fucking woke up the Baba Yaga. I'm back. I'm here to take my corner back.
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To Live and Die in Kuzma?
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Has Giannis asked out yet.com? Um, yeah, but like, you know, listening to you over the last couple of days, you and Zach on, on Zach's pod, like, It is sort of starting to get a little difficult to imagine these massive star trades unless it's your problem from my problem. So I do wonder, let's just say, do you have a Phoenix-Milwaukee crisis swap? Is there something in there that you could do?
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I don't know, but these guys are also going to leverage, like use their leverage and control their destination to some extent. So I'm trying to, it's hard to go into the trade machine and be like, oh yeah, well obviously you just do this for Giannis.
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I know that there's the rumors about him wanting to go to New York and stuff like that, or even the broader New York, like it doesn't matter the borough, but I think we'll learn a lot from this playoff series.
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I'm very interested to see Adelman's first playoffs against Ty Lue. It's probably the best team I have ever seen switch coaches this late into a season. And does that give them a spark? Does that give them any tactical wrinkles? And how much can Lue think on his feet and negate that? Because he's probably one of the best in the league along with Spolstra doing stuff like that.
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The Joker talk towards the end of the season of like, What did he say? Like a caged beast is the most dangerous animal or whatever? Like, I'm like, let me watch this in slow motion, dude. I just want to like watch back cuts all day long. I'm so excited for that. But Adelman under the lights is like a really interesting question.
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And like whether he does something different than the Malone teams we've been seeing over the last couple of postseasons.
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I have to give them a statement.
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Oh, my God.
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Can I get a temperature check on big game James?
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Some of my faves.
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We're in a real wish him well zone.
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yeah yeah okay i'm uh i'm excited for ben i'm excited for uh which excited what what part are you excited about ben when they go to zone and he doesn't know what to do if they do hack a ben if he takes a shot what are you excited about ben getting hack a ben shooting in front of the wall in inglewood like shooting in front of the the crowd wall i'm excited for that no no
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But they were the only five people there.
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Oh, I wanted to ask you a question whether you saw any parallels between the Denver situation and the Milwaukee situation. Not that Joker would ever ask out, but like how different could this Nuggets team look next year if this is a first round exit?
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Because when they fired Booth and Malone, you could read that as white flag, we're getting ready for next season. I have my eye on another GM who might become available soon or is in the mix. Whoever. And the same thing for Coach. And then I think they kind of had a little bit of a dead cat bounce where they're like, no, we're not dead yet. We're fine.
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You know, and like, we're still frisky and it's still Jokic. So it's kind of weird. It's like, on one hand, I'm like, are you guys playing out the string or is this like a... See, I don't think they were doing that at all.
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Everything's coming up. Arsenal just beat Real Madrid and then the champions league got the magic touch.
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Aubrey Plaza was hosting this podcast.
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Do you think it's an advantage, Rob, that Finch has introduced this idea that there's no sacred cows on this team early in the season where he's like, I might run this five out for the end or I might run this five out. And it's like, just because of your rep, just because of the name on the back of the jersey doesn't mean you're out here because you, quote unquote, deserve it.
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It's who I think is the best matchup at the end of games. If he's been doing that all season, maybe Gobert is more emotionally prepared for eventualities where he's not on the floor because the Lakers are throwing something at the Wolves that he's not suited for.
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I was like, oh, I kind of like that one. Yeah, he might play Jackson Hayes off the court.
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He can play free safety, yeah.
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Yeah, what's the circuit breaker? What's the lowest amount of calls they could get before the NBA breaks? I think 30 is a nice number. I'm going with the Wolves. Going with the Wolves? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You've been watching Lucas so closely over the last couple weeks, Bill. Do you feel like he's got his head screwed on right for this?
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Yeah, I kind of wish they would bring in soccer yellow cards to this series where they could just flash a bunch of them in the beginning. I'm really excited for this one. I was really nervous for the Warriors watching that Grizz game, watching the Grizzlies come back. Felt like the Warriors crowd kind of died a little bit in the second half as they were getting clawed back into it.
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Those are great, too.
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Yeah, child services should be called if you've got like a six-year-old.
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You should not be in the front row for that series. Counterpoint to this, that'll build character. Oh, there we go. That's true. And we're facing down a time in this country where people are going to maybe have to go back to the factories. And what better way to prepare you than by witnessing a massive crawl?
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Brooks is definitely yanking that guy's thumb. I mean, it's going to be like, oh, no.
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They got a little nervous. Yeah, and you never want to go into the playoffs with your two best players grabbing at various extremities. So Steph's thumb, Jimmy's ankle. I'm excited to watch this version of the Warriors, but the Rockets do seem like they were built in a lab to screw with them.
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Yeah, Brunson has to do halftime entertainment.
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Yeah, he has to go out there and spin plates. I just want to say I was always a big Kate Cunningham fan and I was really worried that his career was going to kind of get basically torpedoed by the institutional malaise of the Pistons. So to see this turnaround is really cool.
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I hope that everybody, because it's the Knicks, it's New York, there's going to be a ton of people watching this series, just inevitably, that it's a great platform and he goes off no matter what happens. I think the Pistons definitely get one at home and it's a feel-good story. And I think it's a cool platform to introduce a new start of the league.
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There was a show that I heard about the other day called State of the Union with Chris O'Dowd and Rosamund Pike. And it's just about their marriage. And Nick Hornby wrote it. And I was like, this feels like a poster in Seth Rogen's office in the studio.
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Yeah. I mean, it's not my favorite Sheridan, but it definitely ended with some fireworks.
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The median show for a couple is an interesting conversation. Like what show ticks three boxes each? I think Friends and Neighbors.
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Yeah, Friends and Neighbors right now for my wife and I is a ticking equal boxes.
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SAC fired their GM while they're still in?
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I see what you're saying. Yeah.
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I'm the Charlie Munger of buying into front offices. I... I find it incredibly funny with all due respect to our former colleague, Jason Gallagher, who's really going through it on social media about the Dallas situation. It was just kind of like, of course they're going to get into the playoffs and we're going to keep having to talk about this.
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I still think obviously it is a historically bad trade, but AD is good.
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It would be amazing if as tip-off was starting, a cage match cage came down and it was just Dylan Brooks and Draymond in the middle. And it was like, we're going to settle this right now, brother.
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No.
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I can guess based on some of your more recent podcast appearances.
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It's almost most improved team becomes coach of the year kind of thing.
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Also, if you had picked Pritchard, most people would have thrown their phones into a river by now.
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Not a lot of Pritch Please shirts at the Coolidge. I could get you one, C.R. Thanks, please. I'm a medium.
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No, I mean, the Castle thing is just so exciting to imagine him with a healthy Wemby, Fox, full offseason, and then maybe an addition that they make in the offseason. Like, it's really cool. He's like a perfect winning basketball player on that team.
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Every night, it was like, I was at home in Philly watching a run of games that they had, and he would honestly be going nuclear, and you'd be like, all right, Quentin, roll an ankle. Come on. You know, like, you've done enough. You hit your over or whatever the hell is going on.
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Yeah.
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I was just going to say in honor of your Kia, I thought you sucked, but you actually impressed me this year award or changing that title. I think we could do the Kia. I like watching you play defense more than I like watching most guys play offense team.
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I like watching Ahmed play defense more than I like watching like 80% of guys play basketball. Yes. Yeah.
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Yeah, and I think that you should almost give him credit for the adaptability that he's had. Yeah, definitely. Some nights he has to be the man. Some nights he's playing setup guy for Luka. He's weathered all these different storms, and he's actually been pretty healthy for a 40-year-old, and when he's been on the court, he's looked awesome.
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Do you think it's just funny to cost Steve Ballmer a lot of money? Because these guys probably will like trigger.
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Bill's keeping the positions of all NBA and we're going to start smoking inside a restaurant.
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Well, I want to ask you whether or not you think you might regret it in two months if Oklahoma City loses like two games in the playoffs.
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Because I know it's a regular season award, but how will it sit if Shea is leading this historically good Oklahoma City team to their first title and he is like, it's me. I am him. You guys are worried about Luka and LeBron.
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It feels like Jokic has moved into the Jordan LeBron zone where he's MVP every year. And it's really up to the voters to be like, I'm bored or something has happened that feels like lightning in a bottle. You could tell me that next season Shea's not in the top three for NBA voting, MVP voting, and I wouldn't be shocked, right? But I would be if Jokic wasn't.
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I've never seen anything like it. And when he was out, they were eating gruel.
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I have Shea. But it was only just because I kind of have a weird feeling that Oklahoma could just run away with this. This might not be a very close postseason. I think they're so far and away the best team I've watched this year. And we haven't had one of those in a while where it's just like, whoa. This train just like left the station.
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So I think that in honor of that, there's nothing against Jokic. Jokic played one of the best basketball games I've ever seen in my life. Was that 60 point game? Yeah. But I just feel like it was Shazier.
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You can tell me at the end of this series that this was like... a version of like the early great Thunder teams that came out and just ripped the Spurs apart, you know, like where they lost the first two and then they just, it wasn't that they won the next four after losing two to the Spurs.
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Thanks for having me, Bill.
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And you could also tell me that this is too much too soon for Houston and that Wiley, Wise, Golden State are going to carve these guys to pieces. It feels like a real like,
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uh clash of the titans to me and in in terms of like the two coaches are both awesome i think that everything offsets itself so there's like you can't say that draymond and jimmy are gonna mentally dominate the rockets guys or like trick them too much because the rockets have plenty of guys who are just like i live this dark art shit too yeah so it's gonna be like one of those like i don't want to miss a single moment of this series i'm
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sentimentally hoping for Warriors to advance just because love watching Steph in big, big moments. And I feel like the Rockets are going to be around for the next five, six, seven years.
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Yeah. I don't want to be in a world where the Warriors made that Butler move a year too late, which is entirely possible, but I want to believe in another Warriors run. And it's kind of funny with the NBA where I, you know, my, the season of the team that I cheer for like exploded on takeoff. So I have been, I forget who's your team. I have been sort of roving around, but like,
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This is almost like previously on the Golden State Warriors, things were going fine. So I need you guys to level set for me. I don't really remember... the fourth best player on a team getting benched going into the playoffs.
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He's going to get all the calls.
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I was going to ask this and I was going to ask about the dangers of Dylan Brooks thinking it's him.
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Bill, will you give me the money to go to GoDaddy and register a site called HeThoughtItWasHim.com? And every night after one of these games, I just put up a picture of the Rocket who thought it was him?
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I'm ready for Austin Butler.
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I'm ready for... That's on Ben Thompson, I think. For as bad as it might be for ratings or for narratives, I'm excited at the prospect of New Blood. People might be like, who the hell wants to watch Houston OKC in the Western Conference Finals? I think it would be pretty awesome.
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Yeah, I would love that.
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Interesting. There was a point in the middle of the season when I, in fact, I don't even know if Twitter turned to X yet, but I either tweeted or X'd that he's got some Michael Jordan in him. And then next thing you know, I saw that somebody, you know, in real consequence, saying the same thing made me feel very good. He does have Michael Jordan in him.
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There's Michael Jordan-esque qualities in his game. Same size, body type, range of skill, swagger. He's got swagger, God knows. And he got everyone's attention last year in the World Games. Though we lost, he was the best player on the team. And that was news to a lot of us, that he would be the best player on that team. And he's built on that. And he's a growth stock.
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My God, they've got something very special there. So, yeah, he's gotten my attention. Wait, hold on.
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No, that's just fair. But that's where he first got my attention. Now, I was aware of him in Georgia, and I knew people that thought he was very talented, but there was something missing. But whatever was missing, he appears to have found it.
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Bill, it's always fair to say guys remind you of great players and there's qualities about them without going overboard and saying that they are that guy or is better than that guy. I mean, absolutely. And people, there's types. We all know that. There's all kinds of types. There's guys that remind you. And then there are certain people that... They stand apart.
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And I always say that one of the things that the truly great players have something special that is uniquely theirs. There's a something about their style Maybe it's a quirk of some kind, but you know, and it don't have to be the top of the line player, but I'm talking about just a hall of fame level, excellent player. It can be very special in a way that nobody else reminds you of him.
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For example, And you'll like this, I think. I'm not saying he's the greatest player or the greatest guard of all time. I'd like that. But I've never seen another Dennis Johnson. There's something about his package. That's the word we want to use. The packaging. His package was special and different and worked for him. And I haven't seen anybody that reminds me.
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I've never seen anybody that reminds me of him. And yet there were plenty of other great players that somebody would, you know, reminds you of them.
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But of course, part of that is when we knew him and we saw him on Night In and Night Out and understood the... The overall approach that he took, which was that he didn't play 100% all the time. He took nights off. And he said 85, 86. He's absolutely positively. But he pre-announced them to the team, to Danny specifically. I love this. Danny, tonight you're getting the shots.
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And he always picked a team that they were going to kick their ass at home. The game was going to be won. And you can see, I've got the logging game by game. Oh, minutes played, 28, FGA, four. Danny, minutes played, FGA, 17, because DJ was taking the night off. And yet the converse is, when the big games came, you wanted that guy. And Larry Bird would be the first one to tell you.
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And as he famously anointed him as the best player he ever played with and never backed down from that.
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No, he was special in that regard. But to me, the number one rule of rebounding, do you want the damn ball or don't you? And, you know, he wanted every rebound. I mean, and there's two types of statistically good rebounders. There's guys that get what comes to them and they're big and they're strong or they're athletic. And there's guys that get rebounds that, quote, don't belong to them, unquote.
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And Moses was the champion of getting rebounds that didn't belong to him. And that's what he lived for. Rebounding was his identity. I know that was the part of the game that mattered the most to him. There was no question about that. He was an okay offensive player. He didn't have a great repertoire. You know, he had a big man post, you know, power stuff.
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But he wasn't a finesse in any way, shape, or form, a finesse offensive player. But he sure was a phenomenal rebounder.
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Yeah, well, I think the whole thing, they, I'm guessing I wasn't, I never did anything as in person as you did, but the Lakers, I guess, recognized the futility of their circumstance at some point during the middle of this series. Right. And I mean, you know, and they just weren't, they didn't have a deep enough roster. They're lucky they had two guys, let alone three.
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And anyway, we all know, you saw it, you know. So now we'll see what that offseason brings.
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Yeah, very, very true. You could, French is one of those guys that you could easily see playing in a 1968 All-Star game as well as playing today. I had two guys in a previous generation that I said were complete throwbacks games that they were combinations of the 1950, the combination of Dolph Shays in the 21st century. Paul Pierce and Manu Ginobili.
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Those two guys had old games spiced up with a three-pointer. They added the little extra sauce, which was the three-pointer. But other than that, their game translated very well in previous generations. Brunson, he shows you what you have to do if you're going to excel at his size. He's figured out angles. He's figured out deception timing. He's strong.
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he's strong he can take a bump and and keep the shot when he goes to hoop and he just he's got a basketball mind a phd um you know he's a he's a player's son and his coach's son who really had obviously absorbed all the lessons and and you and he's got and people talk about the the flopping it doesn't even bother me at all i think he's just smart that's all i don't buy i don't mind with him i got what's mine i've minded with some people over the years but
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It doesn't bother me at all with him. You go, guy. I love him. I just think he's special. And here's the thing, Bill. When they got him, I always had my eye on him, back to Villanova. And now, of course, I didn't see him play much in Dallas, but I knew he was there. But when they got him, I said, oh, that's a good move, very good move. But they've overpaid. He's not a star.
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He's a wonderful auxiliary player. That's what I thought. And boy, has he turned out to be worth every penny for them. Yes.
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Yes. I think it's a good historical lesson. In fact, I've had this discussion this year with people about, you go back over the history of the NBA, and I only can think of one in my time anyway. And I'm thinking about what I know about the 50s, and Kuzny never won until he got Russell.
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And, and, and so, and he was the preeminent guy and, and the other guys, the other little guards of his near, near him were Sater Martin and he did win. He had Mikan and, and Bobby Davies and they won one in 51. But anyway, Isaiah Thomas arguably was the best player on the bad boy Pistons and they went back to back and could have won three in a row.
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And cause they were jobbed in 88 on a terrible call. Don't get me started. You know, when, They put Kareem on the line, and that was a terrible call. But anyway, I think we're on the same page here. Stockton never won. Chris Paul. Nash. No, you know, it's hard. It's hard when your best player is a point guard and the next best player is a point guard.
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And so, you know, we'll see how far they can go, not just this year, but in the future with their best player being Jalen Brunson.
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That issue was raised earlier in this series, at least in the New York Post, anyway. I read that every day, and I didn't see it. And they raised that issue, that he's got to be less ball-dominant for this team. And the next game out, he was, in fact. So, yeah, that's a very... It's like so many things in basketball.
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That's why I love the... Among the reasons I love the game, I love... But the... What... goes into winning you know and and they need to calibrate guys skills that's what i always said about uh about jordan uh and the difference when jordan people think he didn't win a championship. Yeah, he got, he needed to win the championship when he finally got Scottie Pippen as a, as a tremendous sidekick.
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But until he learned how to calibrate his skills with the other guys and not, you know, and, and, and balance it out and know when to take over, when not to take over, know who to go to, when not, I mean, this, this, this all very, very important stuff that you just don't throw together talent. You gotta, you gotta play the game in a quote unquote right way. And, and that, that's a universal truth.
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And, and, um, You got to figure out how I'm going to blend with the other guys. There's one ball and five guys. And I know, I mean, Peter Carillo used to talk about that. Bradley grew up thinking that way. And you got to be able to think that way. Byrd understood that. And God knows Magic understood that.
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And Michael didn't originally do, even though he came out of North Carolina with Dean, but he finally figured it out. And once he did, the championship started to flow.
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First of all, before we get to that, I was thinking that I know one person sitting back having an extra late-toddy night last year was Nico Harrison. He must have been smiling as the Lakers got out the window. Anyway, yeah, Luke got interesting there because he does have the ball, you know, all the time. And I... It's hard. He's still only 25. He's still got lessons he can learn.
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I think he's smart enough to recognize that he's got to think in these terms that we're talking about. The Lakers, though, unfortunately for them, their roster is shy. Who knows where they go from here with LeBron, I mean, we played 40 years, 41 years old in December of this year.
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Is he going to play again and blah, blah, blah. No, Luke is interesting, you know, in that regard. He's so skilled. But that's the thing, that when you have all that skill, you have to learn how to utilize it properly. There's no question, you know. And some nights it seems like that he does, and other nights he's got the ball too much. So I don't think he's fully gotten there yet.
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How seriously is he going to take this? There's the whole defense thing, too, with him. And I wondered, my big question about the series before they started was, will the other guys be able to take advantage? How much can you exploit him on defense? And it happened. And that's something that the Lakers have to be realistic about.
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December 30th is his birthday, so I know that.
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By the way, I've got a column in the Hopper. It's either going to come out Sunday or the week after. They didn't tell me which one they want to run. It's on Havlicek, by the way, for reasons that you'll see. And you'll like it. I know you will like it. But John did not quit. because he couldn't play anymore. His game had diminished, sure.
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He averaged 16 points a game that year, but he could still play. And he said he would have hung around if he had any idea how good Bird was going to be, and he would have hung around. Anyway, no, John played 16 years. He ended at 38, went out with a 29-point game. And he quit because he didn't like the circumstance anymore.
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He wasn't having fun with the way that the Celtics had deteriorated in the locker room, quite frankly. And it was a down period. And so anyway, but he still had skill. He went out to be able to play. But he was 38. Uh, that year he ended, in fact, he ended, uh, the day, his last game was the day after his 38th birthday, by the way. And that just so happened. He had turned 38 today.
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He was born April 8th, 1940. And his last game was April 9th, 1978. Wow.
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And they couldn't believe how good he was. These guys, these young guys, you know, that was his birthday present to himself to come to practice and suit up. That was fun.
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I don't know. That's obviously would be a very rational solution that, you know, we know along the way, supposedly Brady was able to do that in his time with the contracts. And it's always wonderful. And, you know, with the money that we're talking about, these people make, it shouldn't be that hard of a decision if you really want to win.
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but the issue about whether how long he's occasionally he's, has he not,
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uh at times over the years or recent years when somebody would kiddingly say about playing neil 45 not dismiss the possibility that he wouldn't keep want to keep playing till he's 45 uh you know i mean if he did too i used to look at wait i i remember thinking about brady this way if he were to deteriorate take a percentage five ten percent you know with how much would you still like to have him
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And the answer was always, I'll still take them. If DeFond deteriorates 10% next year, okay, that's still a pretty good player based on what he was able to produce this year, right? And so, you know, he certainly could still play in this game. He is in phenomenal shape. We learned that he spends literally a million dollars a year on conditioning. And we see the benefit of it.
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And we've never been... We've had old guys. We've got... They've always been... The two oldest guys I can think of that played long this long were Kevin Willison and Robert Parrish, who still holds the record for most games, which I guess LeBron is eventually going to eclipse. But... Well, and then the old washed up Kareem, I think, got to 42.
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But those guys got into their 42 and three range. Yeah. LeBron... But they weren't running up. They weren't doing the work, you know, the up and down work that LeBron does. You know, they were doing them down low at work. But anyway, we haven't seen anything like this. What I'm babbling is saying we haven't seen anything like this before.
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Anybody that could play the game the way he plays it at this time, at this level, at this age. We haven't seen that before. You know, it's a whole new territory that we're exploring.
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Jason Tatum at 6'10 is the most all-around skilled... player the Celtics have ever had at 6'10". You know, Larry didn't possess that kind of ball handling ability. Larry didn't possess that kind of get your own shot at your will against almost anybody at any time. You know, most people, but there were people, you know, we know that could give him, irritate him.
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Now, this guy, it's funny because he's like Pierce on steroids because I declared 20 years ago that Paul Pierce was the best scoring machine in Celtic history. Not the best player, still Larry, but the best scoring machine. He had every aspect of scoring. You know what they say now, all three levels, right?
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Well, the fact is that his mid-range games were superb and he could get a shot off anytime he wanted. And he had a three-point range. And he's the best. Bill, I think he's the best finisher on a break the Celtics have ever had was Paul Pierce. And he had that. And don't foul him because he's an 80 plus percent way up there, mid 80s percent free throw shooter.
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This is the best all round consummate individual offensive player that they've ever had. Jason Tatum is making a bid for this honor. And as a matter of fact, I'm sure a lot of people now think he's already earned it. And it's funny you mentioned, not funny, but I'm glad you mentioned this because I've already been on local public record as saying he just came off yet another yawn.
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routine 35 point x rebound ecstasy game uh in a playoff and it's not getting enough credit for it here in boston he's not uh this is part of the curse of the the history of the franchise he's he's up against you know the havacheks and the larrys and the pierces that's that's who what happens when you come to boston and and there's good in that and there's bad in that you know and and this guy is
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I hope he's going to be totally appreciated for what he's done and how much he's improved his game and embroidered his game. Last year, the big thing I took away from the playoffs with him was improved defensive rebounding, traffic rebounding. I thought he became a terrific traffic rebounder last year, which to the likes I hadn't seen before.
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We know he's brought in his passing game, you know, and then his individual offense. I mean, some of these step backs, you know, because all over the league we're getting used to it. Curry has set a template, you know, for distance that you've got to match now. And I used to call it Curry land. Now I call it Caitlin Clark land. But that's a story for another day. But, you know, look at the shot.
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How about the shot that Carl Anthony Towns made, that last jumper the other night? After he was going out of bounds, which was a bird-like shot, going out of bounds on a baseline, making that from almost behind the backboard. The next shot, that was five feet beyond the arc. Minimal. Yeah. He's seven feet tall.
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But Pierce has, excuse me, Tatum has this ability to make step backs almost in that range. And people, I think people here take him for granted. I really do. And I don't know what more they want out of him, frankly.
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It's a confidence. I mean, obviously, he's smart and confident, but humble, too. There's nothing not alike with the whole package. I don't see anything different. It's a no yeah buts. You know, I don't have a yeah but on him. And we know off the court his personal life with it, his wonderful kids and, you know, the whole thing. He's entirely rootable is what I'm trying to spit out here.
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If they win, you know, if they don't win, you know, there'll be all this. And I get, don't get me, you know, I'm not a championship or bust guy. Okay. I've never have been and never will be because too many variables going to winning any championship, including in this new game seven and things are going great. And then somebody goes down, they can happen. And we know that.
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So I don't take anything for granted there. I'll say this. I'm going off key here a little bit. If anybody other than OKC, Cleveland, or Boston wins, I'll be stunned. One of those three is going to win. You've got to draw a line after those three teams in this league. You have to. And that's that. And one of them is going to win. I don't know which one. I'm anxious to see.
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Let's go back early in his career here. And I remember a local writer out there came and talked to me and asked me about his passing. And how did I think his passing rated with Walton? And I hadn't seen enough of him.
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I couldn't believe I was having this discussion that anyone would be so sacrilegious as to suggest that there was a center who would come along to pass anywhere near as well as Bill Walton. And guess what? He's hit. That was a fair... He is right... I mean, he's there. And we can have the argument. He's so... And so that's the thing.
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Not only is he as good a passer as Walton, but he's a far superior scorer. Oh, my God. You know, not even a question. And so... My position on centers, as you probably well know, I mean, you start with the three all timers and whichever one you want to make the devil's advocate argument for, go right ahead. Russell, Kareem and Wilt, you know, and I could, you know, fine.
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I mean, I'm a Russell guy, but I mean, I totally respect the other two for what they were. And and then I said, that's then you draw a line. Now we start to find who's number four. Well, now we got a guy. firmly entrenched in the discussion that we'll see how it all plays out, how many championships will win or whatever it is. But in terms of wanting to watch somebody play,
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I'll tell you what, he's top of the list. I mean, it's extraordinary. You don't know what he's going to do next. You don't know what incredible pass he's going to conjure up. You don't know how many threes he's going to make. You don't know what great rebound he's going to get. No, he's a treasure. I mean, my God, it's a total delight to watch. And he isn't...
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You know, he's still got a long way to go, you know, depending on how long he wants to play. We don't know. We know he might want to go become a jockey, you know, a seven foot jockey someday. Who knows about that? But anyway, count me among the admirers, the idolaters of Nikola Djokic.
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there's always a danger of allowing yourself to think that way. I've done it myself. I'm not going to, you're never going to see anything.
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I mean, when Havlicek retired, you know, I mean, of course, and we haven't seen, and we were talking earlier about styles and individualistic people and people that John, there hasn't been another Havlicek, but the point is an effectiveness bird comes along, you know, and then there's John is 1A in Celtic Pantheon now instead of one. Um,
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Yeah, you got to prepare yourself for the evolution of the game. This guy is really ultra special. And the thing that made Bird so special ultimately was the mind game and thinking two steps ahead. And now we've got a big guy. Taller than him that, you know, that can do that as well.
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No, it's, it's, it's, he understands that the game, the game in a way that so many other guys never, never, never will.
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Oh, he's at a bridge right now. You're kidding. First of all, my number four is Hakeem. Okay. He's my number four. Okay. So, oh, so we're in between. He's closer to the big three than he is to the four. I mean, he's going to be in that. He's going to have to be in that discussion. You know, and we're going to harp on championships. I will want to, you know, and, and, The other guys won multiple.
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Russell, of course, won 11 and Kareem won, what, six, whatever, five or six. Sheck had four.
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Yeah, Moses wasn't pretty, but he was effective. But anyway, Robert Parrish got three, by the way, because he got one with the Bulls, by the way, although he wasn't prominent. Anyway, I got him in between. He's at three and a half right now on his way up.
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Well, I still want Michael.
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And you know who I'll take now? Because that gives me a weapon. Since I got Magic, I got the ball handling. I got the orchestration. I got the fast break. I got everything settled. I got special qualities that he had. Stephon Kerr. Why not? Wow.
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The greatest shooter of all time. You know, and I'm coming, I mean, the greatest shooter of all time. I don't need LeBron, you know, multi-skilled. I don't need LeBron. I'll bring him off the bench. He can be my sixth man. He won't like it. Be an amazing sixth man. What a wonderful sixth man that would be.
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Why would we dismiss the greatest shooter of all time? And who's a team guy. Oh, by the way, who can also pass, by the way. He's people. He's not a point guard. He's a two-guard who can pass, period. He's not a point guard. He doesn't think. It's not his role. But he can pass and will.
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And by the way, the other thing is how well he goes to the hoop with either hand, you know, to set up things for himself and other people in the long run. So, Andrew, and I'm just, this is on the fly, the question that you're asking. My first, why not? With the guys you named, he'd fit in perfectly.
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Yeah, but remember, the shot came in in his last year. Yeah. 1979-80, when he joined the Celtics in the midseason.
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He did make, he's a guy that scored 68 points in Madison Square Garden without a three, averaged 44 points a game and 44 people, youngins. The guy averaged 44 points a game in three years of college basketball at LSU without a three. And he had that, you know, he would have done what so many of them who didn't would have done, go home and work on it.
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And he would have gotten, you know, certain guys that occasionally took shots in that range when it was considered to be a bad shot. And sometimes they went in, you know. He would have worked on that shot. But he made some threes. I remember some games where he had effective threes for the Celtics. Yeah. Oh, my God.
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Because, you know, they've done these estimates, you know, which I, at LSU, going over the game films and trying to project what his average would have been had...
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It's like Larry. It's like Larry. People, anybody, my God, can you imagine how many flourished today? If you tell them, oh, you can take 10 or 12 a game. Larry, embarrassingly, would take four or five because it was there. He famously didn't want the three, didn't like it.
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Yes, he did it as a psychological weapon more often than not and saved the spots. But he would have, hey, if you said, okay, if that's the game, I can play that game. And he would have gone, oh, you've gotten better. A lot of guys that can, you know, by the way, you know who would have been ready made for the game? I can still see him. Jerry Lucas.
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Jerry Lucas was bowing threes before there were threes with that shot put thing he had. You know, I can still see him with legs extended and he shot it from here, not here. He shot it from here. But, you know, anyway, Lucas would have been a phenomenal three-point shooter.
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And then computing his season's average in his head as he went back down on defense. Famously, re-computing his shooting percentage as he would go back down on defense.
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He's spectacular. He's not, you know, now we were talking centers earlier, but oh yeah. I think the question now is going to be the rearrangement of the all-time 10, you know, the all-time 10. How can you not include him in any current discussion about all-time top 10 players? I can't. I can't ignore him. I'm sometimes in awe of him. I am a little annoyed that he is,
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legalized not just a Euro step, but in his case, a Euro gallop. And it's, you know, that's this whole thing is this whole traveling thing. I used to laugh it off, but it is epidemic. It is, it is bad. And the league doesn't seem to care about it. And, and,
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And he's an exhibit A, you know, and how devastating it is when he can do it because he can go from midcourt to the basket no more than from dribbles, you know, with Wiesel. Oh, he's phenomenal, I think. And this whole issue with the buck, that's a whole, you know, that's worth, you know, lots of discussion.
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I know. And what could they possibly get? And who could afford them? And what could they possibly get back that would make it even remotely worthwhile? Not that in my head, I don't have the scope of the vision or knowledge of all the team's individual circumstances to know who could possibly make anything remotely ideal that Milwaukee would ever want.
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But they have to start thinking about it, whether from here or now. So, you know, clearly it's over. And where's Doc going to be open here?
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He's a tremendous guard, and he's tremendous. You know, I'm trying to think of... I can't think of, you know, among all the great two guards... Does he remind me of anybody? No, I just see him as a wonderful all-around shooting guard, period. But I love the idea, by the way, that that team has an all-Canadian backcourt. And, you know, he's from Montreal. And so I love that.
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I'm still waiting for Canada to make a splash in the Olympics sometime soon, you know.
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I know it. They're massive underachievers, Canada. But, you know, anyway. Oh, yeah. I could see FGA, you know, in the 1970 Florida Championship Series. You know, I can see him. Yeah, absolutely. Positively, yeah.
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I... I think that, no, honest to God, I know it sounds parochial. I'm sorry. I still think that if everybody is fortunate enough to be healthy and able to bring their A game, that the Celtics... can win and will win if they're fortunate enough. But right now, the variables there, starting with Holiday, starting with Nen Brown, and will somebody mess around with Tatum's wrist?
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And Porzingis, you never know when he's going to take a misstep. Never know. You can't count on. Too many what-ifs there for me to be totally confident. But I'm saying if they show up in the finals healthy, you know, then, and, and, and I don't care how, and I want everybody to be healthy. I still like their chances. Okay. She's interesting though. There's no question about it.
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And I'll tell you who's, I'm, I'm, I've read about, you know, I mean, I was prepared for him, but having read about him before he ever set foot in college, but my God, Holmgren is good. Holmgren's good. He's a very, very useful player. And Hartenstein, he's not a star, but he knows who he is. And he knows what his job is. And he does it well.
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And, of course, then, you know, the rest of the team, fine. And well-coached, of course. So, yeah, I like that. And Cleveland, don't dismiss Cleveland, but right now they're doing it without Garland, as we speak. And, you know, I think they would... They're not going to go all the way without their full compliment. But, you know, they're good. Salute Mobley, Defensive Player of the Year.
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No, they're good too. But I still honestly believe that the Celtics have more assets ultimately than anybody. I still think if they're healthy.
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And the vastly underrated Luke Cornett, who's been a nice adjunct to this team. Okay. You're right. Well, this is a new generation. You know, this is their team. The Celtics have had, you know, four or five incarnations. Well, you've got the 50s, then you've got the 50s and 60s team. That's one. You've got the Havlicek-Cowens team. That's two. You've got the Big Three team. That's three.
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You've got the second Big Three team. That's four. This is the fifth generation. Celtic incarnation of greatness and a new fandom. I see so many young people in the stands and it's terrific. And it is, what a likable bunch. I mean, it is. It's just, there's no polarizing players. Marcus Smart, who I loved, but acknowledges foibles. To me, he and Jackie Bradley Jr.
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were like Siamese twins of sports. Yeah.
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Okay? And, you know, I love Jackie Bradley Jr. You know, I don't care if you're at 180. But there's no polarizing. Who's a polarizing player? Unless people want to manufacture something about, you know, like, oh, Brown, he dribbles in the traffic. He still doesn't have a left hand. All right. You know. Right. That's as close as I can come to any kind of a negative. You're right.
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It's a beloved team and very well worth rooting for.
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That came across clearly. It sure came across clearly how Garnett and Pierce felt about it in their time. How about Ray Allen?
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That did surprise me. He was always kind of a little bit unscrutable as far as I'm concerned. That was good to know. Yeah, that was really good to know. No, it's all true. By the way, I can't leave you without filling out. I decided Peyton Pritchard is a cross between Larry Siegfried and Eddie House.
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Well, he's same rough size.
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Close and feisty, tough. He's a scrapper.
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Siegfried was, oh, I can still hear Johnny most. Siegfried's in his shirt. Siegfried's in his shirt. Well, I can see that Peyton's in his shirt. And he's good for one sneaky offensive rebound a night.
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And he's tough. He's not just a three-point machine. He's a good basketball player. And I love when he takes himself inside and finds a way to get the shot off, you know. And sometimes they block it. Okay, fine. But he can – I love him. That's the secret. And, of course, you know, the Eddie House part is self-evident, you know, the three-point. But that's what he is.
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He's a cross between Nick Reed and Eddie House. Yeah.
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Well, first of all, you can't do everything, as you well know. There are a couple of things I would have liked to have seen addressed at the time, maybe more thoroughly or at all. But I'm not remotely going to nitpick. I thought it was a spectacular job. I thought that they got the essence of it. You accomplished your mission. That's what I thought. I could say they've accomplished their mission.
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And and then tied it up with a wonderful bow with with the 95 year old Bob Cousy saying how much he wanted the 18th championship to keep the continuum that he could relate to and be feel a part of going. That was exactly what you were trying to portray, I think, in the spirit of that. And and oh, no, I thought it was terrific. I'll tell you was a hard episode was was eight.
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it was eight that was you know seven but that was hard you know they lived when you live through it you know and and i'm sure a lot of us uh i know how i felt watching it and and um um it but yeah it's real it's part of the deal you know those those things happened and it was a a down period and and um And it was, you know, those things were just frightening, but it was just awful.
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But Biason, who we didn't know, you know, I had seen, I was so excited about him because I happened to have stumbled. I don't know what I was doing, Bill. I have no idea why I was in Durham, North Carolina that particular evening and why I was, because I don't know what kind of feature or whatever I was doing.
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I was there at Cameron North Stadium the night, as a Maryland player, he dropped 40 on Duke. He got my attention. I could see. You went to that game? I was at Duke. I was at the game when he got 40 at Duke. Oh, my God. And then twice, twice, Mike Krzyzewski has said to me that the greatest two opponents he ever faced in college were Michael Jordan and Len Bias.
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And, you know, and I know how excited Larry was. Larry was going to come early and work with him and play with him. And, you know, Larry was up to honor him. He knew he was really excited about it. To think all this happened in a flash and, you know, 36 hours and 40 minutes. It was just astonishing.
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If I said eight, I meant whichever one encompassed the burden.
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Okay, okay. But, oh no, that group... And I love that you got Wick there saying, Danny, how do you put together a big three? And well, here's how you do it. You take your fifth round, your number five pick and trade it for Ray Allen. And now you persuade Kevin or Garnett to come. And now you got a big three. I'll tell you what I remember, though, about me. And I'm on record.
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I mean, I can't deny it. I printed it. that when they put the big three together, originally, that second big three, I said, yeah, well, guess what? You need a lot more than that. I wouldn't trade.
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There's no team in the league would trade their next, their final other nine for the next Celtic nine, that they got the worst support, upon which they went out and got Eddie House, James Posey, and then ultimately, of course, P.J. Brown. which was a great story about being recruited, literally being recruited by the big three or parts of thereof. And so I was, you know, I was a skeptic.
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I didn't think it was going to be enough, but never dreamed it would just come together as quickly as it did. Those guys were so ready to do it, you know, to get it, to have it. they recognized what the possibility was and they were so ready to do it. And, and it was going to require the word sacrifice. It's going to require a, a, a balance of skills that they're going to have to calibrate.
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I love that word, calibrate their skills to get the most out of it. But ultimately, um, There's nobody like Kevin Garnett. He's special in terms of the approach. As good as all-around players Pierce was and great shooter Allen was, you know, we all know that the ultimate key person in that whole thing that made it work was Kevin Garnett.
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I don't want to hold it against him unless I have a certain, you know, antipathy for somebody. In a sense, you know, I like to hold it against them. But if I don't care about them personally in their game, then, you know, fine. And it's like, you know, I think I got tired of people dumping on because he's never won a championship and obviously never will. Chris Paul, it's not his fault.
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And once again, we get back to the little guy thing. Yeah. You know? Chris Paul's a great player, great point guard, a technically pure point guard, perfect guy, you know, in that job. And a worthy Hall of Famer. So I'm sorry, I don't judge him for not having won a championship anymore. And I judge Stockton for not having won. I hold Karl Malone accountable, though.
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I think they could have beaten the Bulls in 97 for sure and should have. Mrs. Freit goes, he's not a guy you want in a big moment. I'm telling you, Karl Malone was not, I think he's the most overrated great player, supposed great player in NBA history. I do. He's not in my, just the top 10 forwards at all.
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You'll love this. I don't know. There was a period of time when I carried in my wallet a little list of 10 forwards better than Karl Malone. Yeah. I swear to God, it was such a topic for me. And he's not a bad human being or anything like that. You know, no, that's not it. But I just, all those thousands and hundreds of millions of points. And, and I, I'm sorry.
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He doesn't, he wasn't a guy you want.
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Yeah, he was in the game seven. He went out of the game for whatever reason. And Mitch Kupchak came in and made the big play of the game in his... That he wouldn't have been in the game if Elvin hadn't come out. So they wouldn't have won if Elvin hadn't been watching from the bench. Yeah, that's for sure. And I loved it. I'll tell you what I relished. 1975, when the Warriors swept them. Yeah.
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The rookie... Keith Wilkes, 6'6", one, God knows what, 80, 90, outplayed Elvin Hayes, you know, four inches taller, 50 pounds heavier, you know, and he outplayed Elvin Hayes. I loved every second of that.
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Harden? Yeah. I can't stand watching him play. And so to a degree, I am vindicated that he doesn't come up in the playoffs the way people think he should. I just can't stand watching that dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble game. And I always say, he must have bribed every scorekeeper in the league. I don't know how there's assists.
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I don't remember any of the assists, but they're there to the point in the league, right? I guess. I still can't believe it. I don't know how. But I mean, that's just my personal preference. And I don't. I'm not a big Harden guy.
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Oh, Embiid. I said the beast. I want to like him very much. I love his game. I mean, I love his range of skill in offense. It's tremendous. And I've seen him in games where I just loved watching him play. But there's something, and he's an engaging online presence, that's for sure. But he's on another level. He's not, you know, he's not, even though he did get an MVP, and I think I would have...
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I would have voted for him. But he's not Joe Kitchen. He's not Giannis. He's another level down where he belongs. But he's on the way to Hall of Fame. I have no problem with that.
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The thing is, stay healthy. He has a hard time staying healthy.
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Thanks for having me there. And I appreciate it very much. So long.
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Yeah, he would have been in his 60s by then. Because he's like in his 50s for Death Wish, right? Yeah.
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Well, because Hoffman had just been in Straw Dogs where that's the entire point of his character. Yeah.
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Well, I think because this novel, I don't even know. I guess in Hawaii, maybe. Yeah, he tries to. And then he kind of gets a little bit of a bachelor pad going. He does. It feels like there's a dueted scene here, too.
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Where he's back out on the... And he goes to the prostitute diner, too. Right. In any case, the fascinating part about this is it's adapted from a novel by Brian Gardner, I think. What was his last name? Brian Garfield. Garfield. I bought it on eBay. Okay. It's part of my collection of books turned into movies. There's a version of this movie that is way closer to like
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say, Dog Day or Serpico than what we get. And I think that's why Bronson was probably identifying how he was the awkward fit, but then Michael Winter turns out to be right. They've identified a 1970s anxiety and talking point that the movie dramatizes and fantasizes about that I think captured something.
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Did you wish there was a scene where Paul in Death Wish was walking by Annie and Alvy from Annie Hall? Yeah, he probably shoots... He probably shoots Alvy.
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Right. Wacky era, CR. I mean, they're doing that in the media drops in Death Wish itself. Yeah. And I think one of the reasons why this is such an interesting movie to talk about on this pod is this was such a divisive movie at the time. Yeah. The reviews were like, all right, nice job. Or this is a deplorable piece of shit that should be flushed down the toilet. And it's true.
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I didn't know. Death Wish 2 is LA. Death Wish 3, he comes home. Back to New York. FYI, all of these are on 2B, Pluto, wherever you're going. I refreshed my memory about Death Wish 3 last night. Ed Lauder from Longest Yard. I got to be honest, 3 is pretty solid. Three is... Not against three? Three is goofy as shit.
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Three is like, Paul comes back to New York from LA and essentially gets the green light from cops to start going around and killing thugs. But the thugs are way closer to escape from New York thugs than the 1970s guys. And Alex Winter is in it. Golan Globus.
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I want to start Vigilantes, I think. And the idea of these normal, everyday businessmen becoming Batman in New York City, usually, and going out and handing out justice on their own terms, which then you have to read into the audience reaction to the movies at that time. Like, why were these movies popular? Yeah.
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Yeah, the PCP, whatever the anti-PCP lobby, it really worked. It really scared me off. PCP had a run in TV and movies where it scared the living hell out of me. Yeah, because it was like you would do it and they would never be like, oh, I'm high. It would always be like I'm jumping out of a window or headbutting a car.
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Yeah, I remember there was a White Shadow episode where somebody went to the roof.
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Well, PCP though, the real danger was like, it could be in weed. That was always the, the scary old wives tale. They would tell you is that that could be, that could be angel dust. And now we have fentanyl.
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The actual New York Times called this film irresponsible. Yeah. I think a lot of... I mean, there were a lot of critics. Did your dad review this? I would think this was a little bit before his movie critic days. This is 74. I don't think he was doing movies until the later 70s. He would have hated it, though.
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The New York cinematic universe of the 1970s? This is a billion-dollar idea. Actually, it's not a billion-dollar idea.
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Just put everybody together? Sam Altman, come on.
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Is this the origin of the term Death Wish pretty much? Sure. Okay. Yeah. Were people like, man, that guy's got a Death Wish before Death Wish?
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Yes, but I think it's interesting that Paul is the one that has the death wish. He's the one who's pushing it and putting himself at risk. But nobody says, you've got a death wish, man. No.
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Honestly, if you don't feel like you have the stomach for it, I think you can skip to the 40-minute mark. You could probably skip to him going to Tucson. You want to wait for What's Aged to Worst to talk about that scene? No, let's do it now, because I think it's a really difficult point of entry for people.
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Also, it's always great to watch it and just be like, the guy could just walk up to the desk and be like, here's my plane ticket. No TSA.
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You know what's also weird is that I kind of wonder how many times I had actually seen this movie on TV versus the actual film film. Good point. Because I forgot how graphic it was. So when I was watching it for this, I was like, oh shit, this is way worse than Deliverance. This is pretty close to Spit on Your Grave and some of the exploitation, like Grindhouse horror stuff.
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Yeah, but it almost works better if it's a better actor than Bronson. That's the thing. Bronson's not reacting that emotionally to what happened to his wife and daughter. So it's like you would do that if you were going to do maybe some of the other actors that you had and watch them go into deep emotional crisis. Bronson's just like, I guess I got to go back to my apartment.
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and I don't want to say this is a blanket term, but I think roughly more than half, if not 70%, the violence against the person's family either takes place off screen or is obscured somehow. Like, it's like, you get the impression of what happened, but it's not like, hey, let's spend like five minutes watching Jeff Goldblum do this. Very strange. Yeah.
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It's also like, why is he in the bank getting quarters?
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But this is like when the Warriors win with just Buddy Heald. It's just swinging quarters around.
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Yeah, I just wanted to point out... Does this happen? I... Like where they do like stage. That was an elaborate stage. Yeah.
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Yeah. I ever see like the Indiana Jones stunt spectacular at Disney. No. It's pretty cool. Is it as cool as that? Guys are falling off roofs. Yeah, they do the whole boulder chase in the Indiana Jones thing. The guy runs away from a boulder. Yeah, it's at Disney, I think, or Universal.
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Anyway, the whole sequence, actually, it's a sneaky, almost best, most rewatchable scene for me, like the 10-minute Tucson sequence.
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Just because it really lays the groundwork, not only for what Paul's going to become, get a little bit of like, oh, when I was a child, I used to handle guns all the time.
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He's really workshopping the Bronson. The Jane Schill character is awesome. The guy's taking him around Tucson, and then... Just the connecting what's going on with the Paul character in 1970s with our perception of what cowboys in the 1870s were like. Yeah. And like the Wild West mythology, Wild West justice, vigilantes out on the open range kind of thing. Twinkle in the eye.
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Either that or they were shooting so much police stuff back then. And they were shooting so many movies and TV shows that they had working sets. So that they were able to dress it a little bit differently. But they would have a police precinct set. But a lot of this stuff feels location. Like the first precinct that he walks into to find the detective who's working on his wife's case. Yeah.
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And then there's the guy who's like, I need my dog. He's key to my income. Right.
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I think we're supposed to, Ochoa is like supposed to be like this amazing Popeye Doyle level famous cop. Cause he's on people magazine. Yeah.
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I think I actually got served a YouTube video the other day that is McCauley killing Wangro and Heat. And it's apparently called Mozambique Technique. And I was like, I'm in a bad part of YouTube when I am now getting weird like Soldiers of Fortune videos that are praising heat for their kills.
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Kirstie's heat checking it at this point. Also, the really interesting part of this movie is is whether or not curse he's getting addicted to the game.
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And he's like having this fantasy life where he's still a cowboy. It's crazy. But it's actually like a really interesting portrait of a guy coming apart. I don't know always that Bronson is like up to that part of the job, which is like the serious side of this movie, but he's really good at shooting guys. So your favorite's the saloon brawl?
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I just like, as part of the film, in some ways, the Tucson stuff is my favorite part. But the last shootout is like the iconic.
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I feel like whenever I would turn it on, it would be him stalking around New York City. And my dad would be like, oh, he's going to do that. Roll the quarters. Yeah. Yeah.
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Like Sam and Paula going to like a long bar and grill lunch in the middle of the day. And they'd be like, let's go draw some buildings. I've had four pops and a steak. I just wish the world was all white people. Yeah. Can I have another scotch, please? Oh, one more 1974 thing. Has anyone eaten liver with spaghetti since 1974? He makes his son-in-law.
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I had liver last fall and I'm just getting over it.
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No. What animal's liver is it? Cow. Cow? Yeah. I mean, it was delicious. Was it? But I felt like it was coming off my skin, like smell-wise, for a long time.
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We used to drive from Philly to Vermont and my dad would always stop at a Howard Johnson's on the New York State Thruway and get liver and onions. And I'd be like, I'm driving with mom now. Cap it off with a couple of cigs.
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Yeah. Do you find it comforting to watch stuff that's set in the 70s or whenever and realize that we're just arguing about the same things forever? Yes. Rather than like, oh, the world is falling apart. It's like, oh, it turns out we've been having this fight for a long time.
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I've done that with Big Trouble in Little China like 10 times this year. I'm just like, I just want the opening 20 minutes of Big Trouble in Little China before I go to bed. Right. But that's like...
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I have Charles Bronson's Beachbody. It's aged the best, but it's also not a body you see anymore. Paul becoming addicted to the hunt is really cool. Even after, they're like, hey, all you have to do is just get out of town. We're cool to look the other way on this one. And he's like, I don't know. I really love it. He gets a taste.
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And then all the New York media coverage of Paul, like giving him a nickname, all the like press conferences. It's really, it's kind of amazing to watch like the churn of newspaper and TV journalism back then pre like any kind of internet and just the depiction of that.
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I got Sex Worker Diner. Interesting. It seems like an incredible cast of characters in there. The lady who's like, there goes the pussy posse.
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They remade Death Wish later. Do we acknowledge that one? I'm just saying it happened. They're still continuing to do it. Look, the idea of... a man whose family has been taken from him and then he goes out to, you know, dole out revenge is like a pretty durable, it goes back to Westerns.
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It's pretty disturbing, but all the weird wide-angle lenses of the mother and daughter kind of hanging out in the apartment before the thugs get there. It just makes you feel so on edge because you're like, why is this almost like fisheye, the way they're sitting on the bed and talking? And I think it really gets under your skin, as does obviously the subsequent sequence. Yeah.
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I think Inspector Franco Choa is a pretty classic cop name.
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I don't know. Inspector Ochoa is a really good cop name for the 70s especially. What do you have for your flex category choice? Boy, oh boy. The I used to fuck guys like you in prison award for craziest quote.
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But that is it. He screams that and then he fucking hits the... He kills his wife. It's pretty awful. Yeah. You think we should change the award? Oh, no. I don't know if we're going to change that new title of the award. I just don't know if I can say the C word. Probably not. We'll probably have to bleep it.
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It's that or it's like Jeff Goldblum saying, Shit, we want money, mother!
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It goes back to like, but the idea of placing it in, um, either a small town or an urban environment and having the violence be so much more extreme was probably pretty new for death wish. It's also honestly like kind of a part of a pretty disturbing, uh,
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I had this in Apex Mountain, but this character is definitely Apex Mountain for calling your father-in-law dad. It's really confusing for the movie. I'm like, wait, is that his father? Because if I was Charles Bronson, it would be like, I'm not your dad.
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He seems so eager to call him dad. He's like, yes, got it. Yeah. Charles Bronson's my dad.
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The way that they depict Charles Bronson's architecture skills is... him sitting at blueprints for a while, seemingly drawing circles.
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And then later he's just like, here's your development. And it's like a fucking Monopoly board with a bunch of little houses. And they're like, this is going to lose a lot of money, but it's beautiful.
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primarily 1970s genre of rape revenge movies, which was like more of a horror thing, but starts with Straw Dogs or is a, you know, you can market at Straw Dogs, which is a couple years before this or a year before this.
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uh let's go to what's aged the worst other than the terrible assault scene yeah sure graphic nature of the rape murder scene the uh legal apartment search i had some issues with not positive there's not a single warrant in this movie not not sure that was legal just to kind of waltz in with locksmith i've all heard this by the same token that that crime was out of control in the cinematic version of the 1970s new york cops did not adhere to the rule of law they certainly did not um
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It's Paul Kersey, the architect. They would have also cameras in the supermarket, cameras in the apartment building. There would not be like, we snuck in with the movers. What do you have for What's Aged to Worst? graphic nature of the rape murder scene, the nickname The Vigilante. Just dig deeper, New York. Come on. There's not a single cool element to this killer.
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Yeah, like the silver bullet killer. The real Batman, something like that. Just Paul's general...
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guess it's time to go home and go back to work right three days after easily the most traumatizing thing that could happen to somebody and he's like well what am i gonna do moan and cry forever well and then he doesn't even paint the walls for like a month he just kind of yeah until he paints them the bright orange which is definitely a sign of a mental breakdown
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I mean, there's so many random people showing up in this movie where like, I can't believe this. But that comes a little bit later. I want to say also, since you mentioned the casting, one of the things that's aged the worst is Michael Winner and Charles Bronson talking about who to cast as Paul's wife in the beginning.
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And then it's like Hills Have Eyes and I Spit on Your Grave, mostly.
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Not after what happens in the movie. Yeah. I'm not having her thrown around by a bunch of thugs. And then they just were like, could you imagine being Hope Lang who plays the wife? Yeah. And be like, oh, great. Thanks guys.
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And it also felt too close to the equalizer. We've done it now. I think if you were going to really try to do something creative, you would basically have to tell Death Wish from the perspective of the criminals that he's hunting.
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You would have to be like, we're a couple of New York street guys, but there's this rumor that this crazy white guy is walking around with a gun, and we're now investigating him, but also trying to protect the other criminals. Flip it on its head.
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So this movie, I think, is almost more disturbing because for the first half of it, it's so grounded. I mean, the entire Death Wish idea is like this really shy, retiring guy who has a little bit of experience in his childhood with guns. Becomes traumatized and then actually goes out like seeking out altercations with people so that he can take out his revenge on the guys who did this to his wife.
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Goldblum, like, is in the Warriors, like, four years early or five years early. He's just doing, it's so amazing. He's like... He's been asked about this movie a couple of times since then where it's just like, oh, yeah. kind of ashamed that that's your early film. He's like, no, I got to be in the movies. Right.
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And I think it was because he knew like a band guy, like a guy in a band who just got him into this film.
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I'm in the first 15 minutes. You can't miss me. What a rocket ship to like start me as in Big Chill a couple years later, right?
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Okay, so this, you go first because mine goes right into casting what ifs. Vigilantes. Eh. What does that mean?
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I think that there's a difference between a vigilante and a thrill seeker with a death wish. And Paul's out there, like he didn't even do any detective work of like, let me find Goldblum. Right? He's just like, I'm just going around gunning guys down.
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There's a version of this film. The original director who was approached for it was Sidney Lumet. And one of the original pairings of actors was supposed to be Jack Lemmon and Henry Fonda. As Ochoa. Within Death Wish, within this sort of iconic vigilante action movie that spawned multiple sequels, I think there is like an amazing fucked up 70s drama film. Couldn't agree more. About like a...
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emasculated New York businessman whose family is taken from him and is like, I don't have the tools to process what's happened to me. And Jack Lemmon would have been an incredible idea. I don't know if it would have worked. But it would have been, I would love to have seen the Sidney Lumet, Jack Lemmon version of this movie.
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If I don't get that Pacino performance, then that's a huge... It would have been nice to have Serpico right into Death Wish with Jack Lemmon.
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Can we spend a second talking about Elvis Presley?
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George C. Scott doing this in hardcore would probably be a little intense for him. He would have been good though. Yeah. You know what, that's true. We've done hardcore. You know, Death Wish is not uncharted territory. Hardcore, another New York... I guess that was LA. He goes to LA, yeah.
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Best that guy award. I got Jack Wallace. Detective Hank. He's also in Boogie Nights. He's... Yeah, he's the guy with... With Ricky Jay, right? Yeah, and he's Ochoa's partner.
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I'll give you Olympia Dukakis as the lady cop who starts to figure out the entire thing.
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They should also do it as a Christopher Guest mockumentary.
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Oh, man. I mean, John Cazale would be another... Imagine him playing Paul. That would have been amazing. Oh, him as Paul Kersey? Oh, my God, dude. Yeah. Paul shouldn't be this Greek god. He should be a frail dude. You don't talk to a guy like Ames Gensho like that!
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I just think that there was a different system back then. If he's a guy who keeps his body in shape and can convincingly fire a gun, he's got a job for life.
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Yeah. We had the socks, soap socks in, uh, in, um, full metal jacket. Right. A pile.
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Yeah, because his book is much more critical of vigilantism. Probably number one. Did you start reading it at all or did you just get it to check it out? I actually want to read it, but I know it's completely different than the movie. Yeah, he wrote two books that were... I don't know if they were very similar, but two got optioned and this one wound up being a big deal.
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I think that the first film... I was going to say romanticized it. Well, but do you say that because you've seen Death Wish 2 and 3 and all the other stuff from it? Like, do you think that this film romanticizes violence? Well, the last hour of the movie, you're like, get him, Chuck! Get him! I'm not. I was really like, this is fucked up.
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I wasn't like, this is fucked up, but I was like, I'm watching a guy spiral out. It's a little more like Taxi Driver. If you just watch it in the context of one film. If you watch it in the context of part of a franchise where this guy goes all over the country killing people.
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I mean, he takes up most of the second half of this film. They bring him back for two.
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That's a really good example of basically John Wick is Death Wish, but then taken in an entirely different direction. But the first John Wick is essentially Death Wish.
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It's just a kidnapping. I feel like this one stands apart. Because Wick and Paul can't come back. That's the whole point. Taken, he's still got to maintain some semblance of a soul. Yeah, Deathwish won.
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I have a couple of Apex Mountains. This is Apex Mountain for switchblades in movies. Wow, there was a great switchblade era. Yeah. Just guys getting knives pulled on them. It's a great movie setup because you're like, it's dangerous, but it might not be that dangerous. Yeah, but you can... I can trump this. Painting your apartment orange two weeks after your wife is murdered there.
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Apex Mountain for that. I'd probably move. And guys calling their father-in-law's dad.
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Hanks? It would be cool, though, if we had Vincent from Collateral as Paul.
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What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? I think he could have done a lot of things. Very young, he could have been one of the thugs. I think around the Master and later in life, he could have done the main role. He could have been Paul in a different version of this film. I think he would have made a cool Ochoa. Yeah.
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I mean, the entire movie is a nitpick, but the way that he's like... Oh, your wife's dead.
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But there's almost like this weird vibe to the doctor where it's like, he's like, oh yeah, your wife's going to make it. Did you guys see the Mets?
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Oh, I would think that in the 70s, and I would just think that there would be more bedside manner, but I guess in a New York City hospital in the 1970s, that guy's probably seen some shit.
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People aren't just eating and drinking in a restaurant? No, I love when everybody stops. I mean, in JFK, it makes sense. But in this, it would be like, you really think a New York bar would grind to a halt to watch the police commissioner talk? It happens in Rocky, too, when you're at the bar and the creep comes out. Hey, turn that up.
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Any other nitpicks? No, not really. We said the one. The big one was the doctor's bedside manner. All right. We'll take a quick break and then we'll finish the categories.
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I think it was a pretty wild time back then. To me, it's like the other versions of this movie, and we'll get to that when we get to casting what-ifs and the development process for this film, is there's a version of this movie that's way closer to Straw Dogs and way closer to a neurotic, I'm dealing with my environment, but I'm a middle-aged man kind of movie. The insertion of Bronson
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's not that expensive to make. Bronson's like, I'll stand there and shoot. You guys can make whatever movie you want around me. He's probably not like, oh, the story's not working for me. Let me get a rewrite of that script. I would love to see a Prestige TV prequel called The Architect.
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About Paul's early days in New York City. It's basically Mad Men. Right. Got this lead on a New Mexico real estate development. Yeah, it's just like an architecture firm, and he's got a great wife and daughter.
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Maybe he goes to Utah, starts listening to some right-wing podcasts. He's like, huh, these guys have some ideas I like. And then the rest of the season. He comes back to the architecture firm. He's like, you guys heard Rogan? We're apparently supposed to be hunting our own food.
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No, I would. I liked my, my idea too, but like, yeah, we can do both. Yeah.
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I would love to see Wayne as a Choa in this movie. You know, like Wayne hunting this guy. Like, damn, you know, this guy is really taking care of some business out there.
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It's a pretty straightforward film. Yeah. All my questions have been answered. I mean, I think my only unanswerable question would be, would the commissioner, district attorney, and cop all agree to suppress his arrest?
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Yeah, it would have been. I honestly think it would have worked if he had been like, I got mugged. I can't live in the city anymore. Oh, that's a good idea.
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makes it an action movie and then turns it into an action franchise going forward. So I think Bronson defines it, so I'm going to say it's a Bronson movie. When was the first time you went to New York? Do you remember? Yeah, in the 90s. It was fine. My experience with New York has always been that New York is actually nowhere near as dangerous as it's made out to be.
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There's a lot of really cursed items in this film. Yeah, there really is.
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Or I think the big part in the beginning of the film when they're like, is it time to cut and run from New York City? It's like, if you're feeling that way, maybe you should do it. Yeah. That's a lesson. Get out of there. Best double feature choice? Falling Down? Oh, I had The Warriors just to put a fantastic cap on the 70s New York experience. Because this is essentially the Jeff Goldblum movie.
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Yeah, this probably won't make the top five list at the end of the year. Did you see... what I was talking about with like Jack Lemmon and Sidney Lumet, like the bones of like a weirder movie in this.
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You know what? It's not dissimilar from Rocky in the sense that it's a movie that's franchised as kind of defined the original film now unintentionally. Like Rocky is such like a small urban drama and it's about human relationships and then there's a fight at the end. And then Rocky, all the subsequent sequels are like, it's about boxing and this guy's boxing career.
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Death Wish was about, like you said, you're like, holy shit, the first hour of this movie is really disturbing. And then it becomes about vigilantes.
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But it's interesting that you would almost think about Death Wish in relationship to the sequels, you know? Yeah.
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You think about how different the film-going experience must have been for people at that time period compared to what we get now, where 90% of what we see is so affirming at the end. We are made to feel good about what we just watched. This is almost the complete opposite of that, where people seemingly were going to the movies to feel bad.
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or to feel like their anger was being shown on screen, or their depression or their anxiety was being shown on screen. It's kind of an amazing time to talk. I mean, I love this. It's one of my favorite decades.
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There's a lot of campaigning going on behind the scenes for which these 70s films should be. Really? Yeah. By me. We had to do this. Should we do a poll?
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And you know what? You kind of teased once and I don't know how serious you were. It was all that jazz.
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It's not available on DVD. I don't know if it's streaming. You're right. Yeah. All right.
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No, I mean, I think it's more like the stories around it, yeah.
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I think that there's this cycle that everybody goes through that this movie maybe identifies the anxiety where as you get older, it can't possibly be that you're getting older. It's that the city is falling apart. Yeah. And so when I was in New York, when I was a kid, when I was in my 20s and when I was in my 30s, I was just like almost completely blind to the idea of like crazy wild 80s New York.
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Yeah. You know, and then as you get older, more and more of your friends are like, oh, the city, it's falling apart. It's falling apart. It's crazy on the subways. It's crazy here. It's crazy there. We got to move to upstate or we're going to move to California. And that's kind of what's driving some of the drama in the first half of Death Wish.
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It's just like all of Paul's more conservative friends are like, we should throw all these people in jail or whatever. And Paul's like, well, that's not what, you know, proper society does. Yeah. And he gets pushed and pushed and pushed. But I think a lot of it is almost like a midlife crisis movie as much as it's like a revenge movie.
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I don't know what the fuck's going to happen.
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Kind of unintentionally. Like, that's the thing. I mean, he's obviously always been this iconic action Western military character, and is just one of the most unique faces, voices, and vibes in movie history. But the craziest thing about him is to read interviews with him, and they're like, so you made Death Wish? And he's like, yeah, I actually don't think violence solves anything. Right.
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He was like this very different kind of guy than the people he played.
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It's hard to explain. It's honestly, when I look at him, when you see him in Hawaii, when the movie is first opening and he's on his vacation with his wife and he's like hanging out with his swimsuit and he stands up. You're like, that looks like an alien.
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Like guys don't look like that anymore where the face is super old, but the body looks like somebody took a knife and carved it out of leather and rock. And he's never worn suntan. Like he's a real, like I put on tanning oil guy. Like I want to get like UV rays. It's an insane physique.
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Well, but Bronson, I mean, there is an interesting thing where Bronson's, like, evolving from that character actor or that supporting actor. I mean, he's so good in those movies like Dirty Dozen and Great Escape that you're mentioning. I think he's good in everything. He's awesome, but it's strange to watch him carry an entire film. I think you're right.
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Like, my favorite probably performance by him, other... I think it's Once Upon a Time in the West, just because he's so mysterious in that movie. But yeah, when you put him front and center, Liam Neeson is a very accomplished actor, but before he becomes Mr. Vigilante, I have skills. Bronson was more or less a character actor, action movie star that then became the centerpiece of these films.
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I think there's always a guy, now I would say it's Statham, right? Yeah. Who can get these movies made. But nothing else. Like, William Goldman always used to write about the movie star galaxy in the 70s, about if you can get Redford or if you can get one of these guys, Newman, whoever, Clint, you can get your picture made if they want to make it.
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Bronson, I don't think, could have done All the President's Men, respectfully. No. Well, there's a couple movies that he turned down.
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Damn it, Ben Bradley. I don't know if that would have worked. Bronson, as Ben Bradley, would have been sick, though. Instead of Robards, if he was doing the speech at the end.
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I feel like there's parts we could have thrown him in.
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No. Like a tiny dark side.
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Well, probably almost more like Don Johnson, like Sonny Crockett, like those kind of roles.
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But in Big Chill, he plays, like, Sam, the fucking Magnum P.I. guy. He's supposed to be Tom Selleck or whatever, yeah. Yeah. I liked him. I thought he was really good at editing the cruisers, too. Shoot to Kill. Really weird movie. It was sold as Poitier's, like, kind of comeback. Mainstream comeback movie. It's actually a good one. That's another, like, classic. You think we'll ever do Platoon?
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Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, I think Platoon's rewatchable. I do, too. It's not a fun hang.
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Yeah, he said that was the reason because he saw some rough cut of Platoon and became fascinated by Berenger. I don't know. This era is just so weird from a movie standpoint because there's so many of them that we love and there's so many of them that are flawed and then there's so many stars from the 80s that I'm just like, why wasn't their career better?
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But maybe it was just less movies, there's less prestige TV. Yeah, yeah. But Barringer's one of those. I felt like that was one level higher.
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When he became a B-movie guy, I got to say I really, really enjoyed that Bear and Dre era.
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Yeah, yeah. Sniper's a good one. And then I remember it started to turn on him. And maybe he led a hard life. But I remember I saw Sliver in the theater with Joe House in Boston. We were, like, we're sharing Stone Season tickets at that point. And he's in that. And it looked like he had aged 20 years from someone who watched it over me. And that movie came out, I think, six years after.
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And it was like, wow, Barringer.
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What happened to this guy? But he might have led a semi-hard life. He had a two-episode Cheers run, too.
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Yeah. When? 1993, the last year. Yeah, so he ends up... It's basically by the time we get to the 90s, all the substitutes, 1996. So it's just couldn't keep it going. But I was like... Perfectly cast for this movie.
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It's so funny to watch this now, knowing she's going to be Karen in three years.
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Well, I did some Bracco research. Bracco? Bracco. I did some Bracco research. And I didn't realize she was a model. Like, they kind of ugly her up in this movie. They give her, like, the worst possible hairdo. But then they make her look, finally she looks really good in that restaurant scene when she confronts Berenger's character. But they definitely, no makeup.
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She's just looking like Super Queen's housewife-y. But I didn't realize she had this whole modeling career. And then Goodfellas takes off. And then she's in our lives through Goodfellas and The Sopranos like forever.
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And this is like an afterthought movie for her.
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Yeah, a part that in the wrong hands might have not been a great part.
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Yeah, let's go. Well, let's talk Mimi. There's a lot of Mimi stuff going on during this movie because she's met Tom Cruise. Who was in Legend. And I think they're married when the movie comes out. I'm not sure if they were married when they were making it. But... I'm just going to do this now because I think she's one of the most fascinating deep dive random actions you're going to find.
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Graduated from high school at age 14. Oh, wow. We're doing the whole biography. Screen tested for body heat. Lost to Kathleen Turner. Her first husband, Jim Rogers, was a Church of Scientology counselor. She is such a good poker player that she's on the board of directors for the World Poker Tour. She dated Emilio Estevez, who then was the best man in her wedding with Tom Cruise.
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She quietly quit Scientology in the 90s. She's a member of Mensa. She did Playboy magazine in 1993 for some reason. She said in the piece about her ex-husband at that point, Tom Cruise, at least for that period of time, it looked as though marriage wouldn't fit into his overall spiritual need. And he thought he had to be celibate to maintain the purity of his instrument.
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All right, CR. I thought Craig's text this week encapsulated this one perfectly. He's flying home from the draft, and he texted us about this movie. I looked this movie up, and it's exactly the type of shit that gets me fired up for rewatchables. Mid-budget action movie I've never heard of with a big director and some has-been actors.
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My instrument needed tuning. And then she said, I retract those comments. I've been misquoted. And then you do a little deeper. And she shared an apartment with Kirstie Alley. Yeah. And they were first working out. There's a lot going on here, CR. Like a lot. And I sent you that Bobby Wagan interview. And Bobby asked Mimi about Tom Cruise. And like...
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So you were married to Tom Cruise and Mimi like immediately, and this is, they were married for two more years after the interview. Mimi immediately. It's like, Hey, it gets weird. And she's like, do you think you'll ever be in a movie with Tom? And Mimi's like, Yeah, maybe. Just frozen smile. And it's like, man, this is a weird relationship. But that's kind of what she became known for.
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I feel like there was more there.
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Yeah. And then there's another casting what if where she lost basic instinct to Sharon Stone.
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Um, I don't know what, what, why didn't it happen for her?
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Yeah. I mean, it's completely fucked up. I don't know if I'd ever watch it again, but I remember it being... And she got a lot of awards buzz around that, I remember.
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She was a good talk show guest, too. She kind of go through the circuit. She's in this. It got really weird for her by the mid 90s. She's in this masseuse movie with Coghlan from Cocktail Brian Brown. And he's just massaging her. She's naked like half the movie. It's like, what's going on?
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No, I'm just saying Coghlan's in it. Okay. And it's like a weird massage movie. Okay. Yeah.
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I don't know. Massage movie. Craig will find it. Yeah, Craig, look up massage movie. Look up Mimi Rogers massage. I was looking at massage movie last night, actually. Hold on. I'm going to, I'm going to find this weird massage movie. So I'm going to say it was mid nineties. It's a TV movie. I believe it's called full body massage. Wasn't a TV movie. Cause she's naked in it.
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Maybe it was for like showtime.
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A successful but world-weary art dealer finds out that her usual masseur has sent a substitute for a weekly massage at her home. They find out that they're both mutually attracted and annoy one another a great deal. Director, Nicholas Rogue. Is this a Skinamax movie? Nicholas Rogue, director, your guy. But why is it called Full Body Massage? I'm just... Listen, I'm just a messenger. Okay.
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This stuff's just out there. Just gotta find it. But, uh... For what she's trying to do in this movie, I think she's fantastic.
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Because you have to be, there's a difference between, oh, she's a rich lady and the way they do this character.
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That's a good one. It's beyond rich. She is in a world that she only deals with a few people. Yeah. She has conversations with the most dressed up. Like that party scene is so key in the beginning. Everyone's dressed up. The conversations they have, it's almost like another language. Yeah. And she just moves in these circles. It's like the limo driver's right there. I go from here to here.
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I need to get you a tie. She walks into the store. Everybody knows who she is. And she pulls it off. There's an elegance to it.
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They were wuzzes, or they were izzes. They were gonna-bees. So I have the flawed rewatchables checklist because we've had some flawed rewatchables. We've done a lot of ones for us. Eight millimeter, probably one of my favorites. You just got to meet the machine. You want to talk about that a little bit? You know, I really, I really, uh, I really blew it by not saying machine. Love your work.
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Someone to watch over me. I could just tell you're a team Bronco.
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Yeah. Okay. Someone to watch over me. George Gershwin, your guy. Double G. One of the best to ever tickle the Ivory's. They play this song three times. Sting. They get him for the start. Yeah. That's the opening credits. Roberta Flack heard over the end credits. Not available on Spotify or any platform for some reason. Do you like the Sting version or the Roberta Flack version better?
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I'm going to answer that in a later category. Okay. And then they run the original one midway through the movie. The Sting and Roberta Flack movie versions were new takes. They never had a soundtrack album for it because it's the same song a bunch of times.
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I would say it's the most rewatchable scene, how they do it. But... It's rare to have a song three times in the same movie titled after the movie that also is the theme of the movie. It's like the fucking Triple Crown.
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I'm going to watch over you tonight.
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Congratulations. One of the great songs. Written by Howard Franklin. So Ridley follows Blade Runner with Legend, Someone to Watch Over Me, Black Rain. which has been circled for a while. And then Thelma and Louise, which I'm not positive we've ever done. Thelma? I don't think we've done it.
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Hmm. A rewatchable loser, Craig. A box office.
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This is how you know it's a win for us. The movie lost money and Roger Ebert gave it two stars.
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I'm trying to think what the meanest things will be, but it'll probably be a lot of... I thought we were getting Hunt for Red October and we get this fucking movie.
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Roger Ebert, two-star review. I thought it was one of the better reviews I've read from him on any movie we've done. He really lays out this whole thing about high-concept movies. Once you master the concept, there's nothing left for the movie. Movies like this are on automatic pilot. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the script in which the hero sleeps with the wrong woman.
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I'm not talking here in moral terms, but in story terms. The makers of this film got so carried away with their high concept that they missed the point of the whole story. That rich broad really does have a great kitchen, though.
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Raj. Got a little feisty at the end.
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Late 80s Pauline. It's kind of needed big heaping helping to settle down juice. Just in general. Just pour it in the morning like green juice. Settle down, Pauline. Take it with your Metamucil. All right. We're going to take a break and come back and do most rewatchables. All right, most rewatchable scene. Opening credits mention that. Sting still had his voice in 87. He did.
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He could still hit the notes. Did he lose it, you think? Yeah. Okay. By probably mid-90s. Can't hit those notes anymore.
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No, that was about it. The Fields of Gold album, I think, was it. Elton lost it. Those people who can live in the high, high, high areas, you're not doing that when you're like 45. I was never much of a sting guy, to be completely honest. Really? Not a tantric sex guy.
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I kind of froze. I think Chris Bauer, who plays Machine, was so stunned that I opened with, I love 8mm.
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Love them. Well, I like that they were like six years done.
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And hated each other. Hated each other's guts. There was great background, deep dive stuff once the internet ran out of shape. But you've heard my theory that three-person bands, I just feel like, should be graded on a different curve.
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If you're standing up with all the other bands and you only have three people, it'd be like if I won the NBA title with four guys on the court.
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Most rewatchable scene. The opening cop party.
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I have this on Woodstage the best as well. I don't know what it is because Copland has this too. Some of these other ones, these cop movies set in like Jersey or New York or wherever. I just like hanging out with cops. All day party too. Maybe not when Karen Reed's involved, but for the most part, it seems like a fun hang. Maybe not at three in the morning at Attleboro.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. And everybody knows everybody, and everybody's kind of on the verge of being inappropriate, and nobody's judging anybody, and people are smoking.
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Do you think we need more, like, New York area cop ball busting at parties just for the ringer? For us? Yeah, where it's like, Craig, look at this dude with a big promotion! Hey! Hey!
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jack sanders running the big pic now look at this guy that would be good but that's that's like basically all the dialogue swedish hr law yeah i gotta i'll check out the sweets but i like those cop scenes uh beringer's first day when they're walking around the incredible claire apartment next rewatchable scene um and he gets lost but ends up in the closet lieutenant
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He must get a lot of sabaka. Or where do I know you from? Who knows? Maybe he was on Law & Order. But yeah, I don't think he gets a lot of 8mm. Anyway, flawed rewatchables checklist. Here we go. Is it okay if... Your movie is flawed, but it's an incredibly cool hang. I think it is. Is it okay if I like the performances more than the actual movie they're in? I'm going to say yes.
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Yes, ma'am, I do. And the way she handles it, you're just like, whoa, this is a lady that has talked down to a lot of people that has worked for her family.
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Yeah. She's just like, this is really upsetting for me. I hope you understand how upsetting this is for me. Really good stuff. All right, now we're cooking with gas because Claire has to go out. Mike has to go with her. They're going to the Guggenheim. We go tie shopping. Everyone knows her.
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buys him the new tie. If I had more time, I'd work on the suit, too. Now we're getting a little flirty.
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Yeah, Ellie, 16 years. Maybe learn how to buy your guy a tie. It's fun. I'm making the case for Mike as it's going. It's like, eh. Claire's got some points here.
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We also have some ball busting with the I'm on duty. What kind of duty? Gigolo. Yeah. I loved Claire's friends fishing for info at the party. I could have watched the scene for 20 more minutes.
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He has really nice eyes. Who have you been hiding from us? It's the most pretentious party, I think. I've personally never been to a party like that, ever. Where it's like... Everyone at the party is 100% rich and pretentious. And there's like no other people at the party and just people. This is it. This is the highlight of their month going to this thing and hanging out with the rich people.
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The lady comes up to him and says, does shooting a gun make you hard?
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She's great. She's coming up later. Then Claire's in danger. Somehow Mike fucks this up. And then he chases him out. I like when Berenger does that. He's got that cop voice. But this whole scene is lights out. Next one I have is Ellie finds out Mike went to a party with Claire and that she bought her a tie. Yeah. Really good Bronco. Claire asked Mike on his last day to go for a drink.
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It's been nice having you watch over me. I bet it has. Good. That scene probably could have gone longer for me. It could have gone, like, two, three more. Like, a little background of Claire. So I went to Harvard. I graduated as an art major.
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This would be a good category. Should this character have had one cigarette?
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Is it okay if I had a great time the entire time and then the ending fell apart and I'm not going to hold it against the movie? And then is it okay if an excellent director said, Plot schmott.
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Could there have been an elegant smoking scene for her?
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On the other hand, she's too classy to smoke. I like when he gives her the coat. Feels like they're going to fuck. We're in the elevator and they're just kind of like. What are we doing? She looks at him and then walks away. Just a nitpick now, just so I remember it. They get home at three in the morning. So she wants to get a drink. What time is it? I know, but is it like 11 at night? Yeah.
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So they're out having a drink till 3 in the morning. Wouldn't they be a little more drunk? He starts working in the middle of the night, doesn't he? Doesn't he go on at like 8 p.m.? I feel like they'd be a little more sauced. She'd be a little more tipsy. It's the 80s. They just put it away. Tall lady. Maybe she can carry her liquor. I like the cops busting his balls.
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Claire and Mike finally... Benza gets out. Claire and Mike have some scared sex for Claire. She needs somebody. Mm-hmm. To watch over her. I'm going to bring this up now. The Mallory Rubin Award. Did this movie need a better sex scene?
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I think Ridley was afraid to do it because if there was a pounding away scene, maybe it's a little tougher to keep a little mystery.
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Next scene, Ellie finds out at lunch about Mike's cheating. Love this scene. Incredible Bracco. Bracco. Why do I keep saying Bracco?
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Twin Towers in the background. Yeah.
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What other flawed rewatchables like things where you're just like, I'm just going to forgive this because I'm having a great time.
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And then she punches him Terrible sound effect for the punch Terrible It's beyond a what's aged the worst I know I just wanted to bring it up as soon as you said it Ridley's like Can you put like four highlights in Mimi's hair Because I want to make the light shine off it And I got can you wet the street again But when Lorraine Bracco punches Tom Berringer It sounds like Jackson Dart clapping It's a second after the punch Let me watch over you tonight
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There's another one. Tom's been kicked out of that bear. Mike's been kicked out of the house. He shows up anyway, even though TJ is there. And then we get the whole, I love the, the switch in the runner. Yeah. That's, that's some bill and CR shit right there. Scoping out the jogger, how he's running at seven o'clock, buying the exact same outfit, putting the hood over it. Um,
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And then TJ gets shot. We get a little action scene. And then... We get the Hall of Mirrors action, too, within the apartment. You knew that was going to come into play when we saw it in the beginning. It's like these bears are coming back. And then I got Mike shows up at the Queens party that she's throwing. Someone will watch me playing again.
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And she does like, oh, that's kind of my song with my weird cop that stayed with us. It wouldn't work out clear. How long are you going to wait for her to forget about you? I feel like that line, that exchange has been in like 40 movies. Gets me every time. Um, any others for rewatch?
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It's such a great scene. I have when they go to the Guggenheim. What's the most 1987 thing about this movie? I had Sting doing your theme song or a club blaring Steve Winwood.
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I love Steve Winwood. I would never listen to Steve Winwood again for any reason.
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It was either him and Peter Gabriel in the finals for what made sense there. What's aged the best? I have a bunch of small stuff. What do you have?
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Yeah, he could have been super annoying, and he wasn't.
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He easily could have gone right into being Josh Baskin's best friend in Big and been in nine other 80s movies.
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That's a good one. I have a couple of small ones. These are just personal preferences. Cop daughters in a movie who then marry a cop. Yeah, Ellie, yeah. Yeah, I like that one. They kind of know the drill. My dad was a cop. I married a cop. Yeah, I've seen some adultery in my day. Cops calling other cops wives the old lady. Yeah. When do we stop doing this? I don't know.
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I don't think anybody would appreciate it anymore. Hey, Craig, how's your old lady? Yeah, Craig, you want to film that video later or you got to see the old lady?
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She'll love that. The old lady, I think, when do you think it went away? Like early 2000s?
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I mentioned this earlier, but all the Lorraine Bracco scenes, knowing Goodfellas is coming, it just makes me laugh. Two-way mirrors? Yep.
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For the perp ID? I just have always enjoyed them and might put one in my house. I'm kidding. I don't know if you picked this up, but it's a great What's Aged the Best. Mike's wearing this old school 80s Jets sweatshirt in the kitchen. And it's a sweatshirt that had a collar. And they only made these for a couple years. I used to have the Pats one, but I lost it. It's perfect that he's a Jets fan.
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And it's actually a New York SAC exchange. Oh, I know. You're right. Gastineau. The key reps are cracking down. They should have had them go to a Jets game. That could have fit in this. But it's a really nice sweatshirt. I want to point that out. A New York guy pronouncing the word idea as idea. That's a pretty good idea, Claire.
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Berenger's apartment you mentioned and then cops hanging out with their families. I got one more for you.
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Yeah, yeah. Renee is a screamer.
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Great Shack Order Award, what'd you have?
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I had the same thing. I liked the shot of him on the subway. And the lights are flickering.
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Ridley. Just beautiful. Probably spent two days storyboarding that and doing it, and then gets the punch completely wrong. Come on, Ridley. Den of Thieves, Benihana Award, scene-stealing location, the New York City apartment. Guggenheim's pretty cool. Guggenheim's really high up there. Yeah, I enjoyed that.
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Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award, would you go Steve Winwood or Roberta Flack at the end?
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Okay. Oh, a category we rarely get to give out. The Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate. Claire's apartment, which I was always like, when I was doing the research for the movie, I was like, I can't wait to find out where they filmed this in this apartment. And sadly found out that it was at Burbank Studios. That they made the apartment from scratch.
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I guess. Yeah. They did a great job creating a fake New York City apartment, though.
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Well, we'll talk later about whether there was enough.
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The Chess Rockwell and Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name. Wynne Hawkins is the guy who gets killed in the beginning. You want to talk about the Wynne Hawkins killing?
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Joey... I thought it was Benzo. I think you're right. Yeah, he goes from 0 to 60 pretty fast. You probably noticed that the host of the party has been stabbed to death. If you're there wondering where he's been for two hours.
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And also I showed up at this party and they're like, you're not allowed in Mr. Venza. And he's like, okay. And goes in anyway. Wynn Hawking's not kind of maybe needed one more scene with Wynn to understand what his business interests were. So, and then also. Was he in the mafia? Was he Claire's ex? Mafia Jason. Yeah. Did Claire. It seemed like she's got that doofus guy.
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So I watched, I put this on Tubi last week because I couldn't find anything. And it was like 1130 at night. I was doing my classic. I'm not quite tired enough yet in a movie. And I just put it on and ended up watching the whole thing. And that was when I texted you after. I was like, we just got to bang this out. So.
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She was dating Neil, but it seems like she and Wynn had something. Unexplored. Well, we have some smoking subcategories, CR. The Sean Penn, I brought my own pack award for excellence in onscreen smoking.
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So the first time we did The Fugitive with Greenwald. Yeah. We did this whole thing about Artoris, whatever his name is, who played the one-armed man in The Fugitive.
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Yeah, and how he was such a chain... He was like this... There's, in the research, a beloved guy on sets, but was an absolute chain smoker, and the scene would end, and he would light it up, and then he died of lung cancer. Uh-huh. But yeah, he's clearly like, yo, is it cool if I smoke in this scene? And they're like, go ahead, Artoris.
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You have a flex category. Did we already do it?
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Nobody read him his rights when we found Venza. We can't protect Claire. She almost gets killed in the bathroom.
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Yeah. Seems like it would be something. That leads to the Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film, which is the last 10 minutes, which includes decisions like Joey gets a hold of Mike at a Queens party. Just kind of knows he's there. Thinking you'd be there at Claire's party.
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I could stop watching this, but I think the number one reason I like this movie is because I'm just, I saw this movie when I was probably a senior in high school. I just love Mimi Rogers in this movie. And I don't we can have the whole Mimi Rogers conversation later. But this Claire character is so compelling. But then we also have this Lorraine Bracco.
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What's Mike's strategy? I'm going to bring Claire. Maybe she'll just get shot, but I'll get my family back.
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Yeah. He's just going to trade the female characters and throw in his son as a first-round draft pick. This is like an NFL draft trade. It's like the Falcons moving up for Pierce. I do like that the wife shoots Joey. Yeah. And I do think it's a pretty funny, tough beat for Claire.
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But this is the reason that this movie is not considered a classic because the last 10 minutes just, I, but this is an eighties thing. Sometimes they just didn't know how to end movies and they just made the movie anyway. Like, what do we need about the ending? I don't know. Let's just... Let's have Benza kidnap everybody.
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Right, right. This guy's just a bloodthirsty maniac. What's Aged the Worst? Claire having a painting of herself.
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It's a rich person move. I've never understood it. It's like, wait, what's that? Oh, it's, I had this artist come do a portrait of me.
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Let's get rid of that. The fake punch sound we talked about. And then there's that one scene when Mike's in the hospital. and Orbach, who doesn't realize he's going to be in Crimes and Misdemeanors in a much better movie in two years. So he's really got to go for the Oscar. And he's like, is it love, Mike? I hope so. I want it to be worth it for your sake.
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More than just sex? What else do you have for what stage is the worst?
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Could Tubi give him like $5,000? Yeah. Not a bad idea.
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How does he sneak into the bathroom with nobody noticing him? He's like a wanted fugitive at that point.
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Yeah. Tux killer. That would have been a better idea. Oh, this will be good. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award.
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I have a good one. What do you have?
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Or you could say they got divorced in 12 months. It's one of the two. Yeah, that is. It did light a little fire in them. They'll probably speak fondly of them. I'm going bigger and grander. I think this had all the tools, much like Craig's guy, Ted McMillan. It's had all the tools to be the greatest erotic thriller of all time. Wow.
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I even think it's a better... blueprint than Fatal Attraction. Okay. It's a model that I think then got stolen by a bunch of Skinny Max movies where a cop protecting a socialite and they start having... But then they would actually have the sex. But you have... You could have a sex scene in the beginning when she's like, look at my ass. My ass is dropping. It's like, let's go at it there.
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Yeah. Who when this movie came out, nobody knew who she was.
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We get a solo scene with Claire. The unrequited sex thing. Yeah, she's in the bathtub.
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Neil comes over. Uh-huh. He hears them moaning. We see the hat, right? We have a couple scenes with Claire and Mike. Uh-huh. It's bang nails out. Yeah. Maybe one with Ellie where he's not quite. He has to stop. Oh, and it's just like he can't get it up maybe. And then some makeup sex at the end. Or maybe he makes.
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it was a complete out of nowhere and it was a complete out of nowhere for amy rogers and the only person we had a history with was behringer but you have this moral choice for this cop where he's like i have this great queen and they do a really good job with the family life stuff this great family life my house is just big enough it's cool we're all together we bust each other's balls i have all these great friends
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You've never bought me a dress like this, Michael. Or a nightgown. Yeah.
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Anyway, we missed out on that. Casting what ifs. Mimi tested for both parts. Oh, interesting. Didn't get the Bracco part. She wanted that. Didn't get the Bracco part. Didn't hear from them for a little bit. They brought her back for Claire. And she did this whole thing about how she knew it was just for Claire. She tried to dress middle in the road when she was
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auditioning for ridley because she was doing both parts but for claire the second time got this really nice dress really tried to socialize herself up and kind of inhabit the character so she got it but she also did a screen test with beringer but they had already screen test together because they both went out for body heat neither of them got it interesting yeah so good to see you again here's the big one though
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Sharon Stone screen tested for Claire, and then it went to Mimi, and then four years later, flip, she gets based against it, Mimi doesn't.
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Sharon Stone as Claire is a completely different movie because I just don't think he's... I don't think he's going back to Queens. He's never going back. He's not going back. Like, you saw what she did in Basic Instinct with the cop. Like, that guy's... 20 minutes, he's doing cocaine and smoking cigs and killing people. He'd be like, Neil McCauley, I am never going back.
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So I think that probably worked out correctly.
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Oh, man. We really took this to the next level. Susan Sarandon?
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Oh, Geena Davis or Melanie Griffith might have worked as Ellie. Now, Melanie Griffith, you could always feel the damage from the past in all of her parts.
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Even in, like, I guess something while she's damaged, yeah. Kidman in like 95 would have been interesting. No. I'm saying like eight years later. Okay. Oh, okay. Like post days of thunder. I think your Chastain one is really good. Thanks. Yeah. That's like Chastain, like maybe early, mid 2010s. Yeah. That's a really good one. Demi Moore. Like maybe 93, 94 disclosure range.
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I thought maybe it was really good. Let's take another break to regroup.
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And my wife is cool, and she's kind of like Queens hot. Yeah. Queens eight. Queens nine and a half. And then he's with Mimi Rogers, and he goes into her world for five seconds, and he's like, this is Princess Diana? Yeah. And he's just battling that. But I think the most – my wife was – we were talking about this, and she's like, why do we like this movie so much?
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All right. Best that guy award. Does Andreas Katsoulis qualify anymore? He does, right? I mean, he's just the one-armed man from the future. Only we know he's Andreas Katsoulis. So he wins. The other one would be Mark Moses for me. So I have Tony DiBedetto as TJ, who also played Johnny Fingers in Marked for Death with Steven Seagal. That's right. So he's been in two movies. He's one of those guys.
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But yeah. Dion Waiter's a word. I have Orbach.
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TJ, Possibility. The cop buddy who lets Mike move in.
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Scotty. Rich cocky murder guy, Wynn Hawkins.
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Is this love? Can I make the case for does shooting someone make you hard, lady?
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She's in the movie for like a minute and a half and is great.
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Oh, my God. I was going to do this later for an answer, but does shooting someone make you hard? No. I was afraid to Google it. I didn't want to get a virus.
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Recasting couch director city. How about Dennis Franz as TJ?
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Let's dial it up a notch. Could we find a spot for Caruso in this movie?
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Yeah, it's 90. I just did... Yeah, it's 90. Craig has a flex category choice. Can't wait for this. What is it, Craig?
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So weirdest seductive. I'm trying to think what that category would be. It's kind of like the Michael Douglas dancing with Roxy. Roxy, our girl. Roxy could have been anybody in this movie. Maybe like a friend of Ellie's. Yeah. Half-assed internet research. You mentioned the Queen Mary thing. I kind of did all my research. I had a lot of Mimi Rogers research. I don't really have any extra stuff.
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Apex Mountain. Berenger? I think it's Platoon.
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Yes, you're right. Mimi Rogers, she's the star of this movie. They're pushing the hell out of it. And she's married to Tom Cruise. I feel like it probably is. Mm-hmm. You know, the great Bobby Wagand asked her why they hadn't worked together yet. And I was thinking she could have easily been the Gina Gershon role in Cocktail. They wanted to work together.
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But she wasn't. Braco. No.
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And I said, because it pulls off the hardest thing you can pull off. Somebody's doing something terrible – but you can kind of see it and you're not holding it against them.
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It's definitely not this. Definitely not this. Yeah. Um, someone to watch over me renditions in a movie. I mean, when you have three of them, I think, I think it's gotta be apex mountain counter. Um, Mr. Holland's opus Rowena sings someone to watch over me and Richard Dreyfuss his wife realizes that maybe something's going on there and she has that great performance.
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So that might be, that's, I mean, you have three of them in this, but that's probably a more famous movie. I would say probably that movie. Queens? Movies in Queens? What are the competitions?
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I was just reading the... I just caught up on the Seth Rogen versus Doug Allen blood feud for the last 20 years that the studio reignited this week. Uh-huh.
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Yeah, he took a shot at Entourage, and then there's a 2009 Entourage episode that starts with... The character's talking about, knocked up for like a minute. And Turtle's like, I don't understand. That guy's so ugly. How does he land Katherine Heigl? He's so ugly. And they're just like saying how ugly he is for like 45 seconds. So it's still going. Great Queens movie is Coming to America.
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That's the best Queens movie.
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Yeah. I can't remember another Guggenheim scene. Actually. The only other one I had for apex mountain was rich, hot, social, like characters.
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Guggenheim is that's probably the apex. Rich, rich, hot, social, like characters that are movie. Really needs to go up a notch.
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Oh, Gwyneth Paltrow's character? Marge? Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, I like that. Cruise or Hanks? Hanks. Yeah. Although it would be pretty funny if Cruise was playing Mike. And instead of the sex scene, they're just laughing in bed after. He spills like a cranberry juice on the side table and they just laugh.
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Yeah, I'd go Hanks too. Scorsese or Spielberg is a little more interesting.
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make the case for both yeah i mean the material would lend itself probably more to scorsese i think especially at this time cocaine gets involved with mike i think yeah i think mike and scotty have a scene where there's not a fucking bender in the bunk beds yeah he's that one sky's that the other yeah she's good she's a screamer what role would philip seymour hoffman have played
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It could be when Hawkins, you could talk me into, you could talk me into Neil. I'm going to go with Coons, the cop at the stud earring. Oh, just randomly thrown in there. Okay.
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Yeah, it seems like he's one of the preeminent mafia people in New York who is now slumming it just trying to kill this one lady and doesn't have other people trying to kill her.
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But gets out. Yeah, but like, Why isn't he free? Like they're like, yeah, he's free. You didn't read him as right. So now he's out. Is he out on bail or is he just out? Is the case closed?
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And then if he's out, why does he have to kill her?
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That's pretty good. I didn't see that.
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Like Kiss of Death. Yeah. When they take his family because he decides to go in a movie that you won't see because it's not on fucking Tubi. Fuck you, Tubi. More pickin' nits. Claire would never be with Neil. Neil sucks. Yeah. I didn't really. They have to establish that Neil is worth like a kajillion dollars and is like a minority owner of the New York giants or something.
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I need, I need way more ammo. Yeah. I need, I need way more ammo that Neil is. He just blows. There's nothing cool.
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Oh, and he's got this handsome cop who's going to protect her. And he's like, I've got to go to Angola. I'll be back. Claire says to Mike at one point, they nailed the socialite rich person stuff with Claire. It's really great. But then she says, I have to go for a pee to Mike. I just don't think she would say that. No. She was like, I have to stop by the ladies' room. It would just be classier.
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I don't think she would say that.
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Yeah, I'm just going to get a drink and talk to the lady who asks if I get hard when I shoot people. Why doesn't Joey just murder Claire in the bathroom? I don't know.
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Just quick. 20 quick kidney shots.
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And then smears lipstick over her face and then runs out so he can get arrested. It's really strange. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TBL, black cast are untouchable.
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You don't think this could have been an Apple show.
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I don't know. We could learn more about the Queens, some of the cops. Sure. Scotty's divorce. Yeah. The moaner. And then the twist would be that it turns out Tommy was the one who killed Quinn Hawkins.
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You just want more sex scenes. It's like a star show.
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Stars had that show where it's like the couples that live next to each other in a house and it's like a, seems like a facsimile erotic thriller show. I never watched it. I gotta admit, I don't know what show you're talking about. I really like Stars. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harley Mays, Henry Hill.
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I added Henry Hill. Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley and the Firm.
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That was a really good one. I'm not even going to do mine. You don't want to do DB at all just because it's playoff times? I don't have anything prepared. How is D.B.? Has she been doing the Celtics? D.B., when Mike's walking the streets of New York, I see you, Mike, battling this moral conscience of marriage versus adultery. Just want to ask her who gets it. Braca? I think Braca.
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She's really good in this movie.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's a moral crossroads movie. Maybe that's a genre fatal attraction, which comes out the same year. This is just, and this is probably to be his greatest year, 87. They should just have one of the categories should be.
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Oh, I have some really good probably unanswerable questions. How loaded was Claire?
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She talks about, she's like, I have to go to this thing because my dad funded this school. Dead husband? Queens. Divorce? How old do we think she is? I think it's family money. Mimi's like 31, 32 in real life when she films this. Probably engaged once.
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in her 20s and the engagement got broken off. And you think Neal is kind of snooping around there? I think Neal is like a rich guy but doesn't make her toes curl. Yeah. She's... I feel like one of the Gettys.
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Nothing. Socialite slash maybe owns an art gallery. Charitable foundations. Does charitable stuff. The dad is probably...
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probably not alive anymore because i feel like he would have gotten involved and he thought his daughter got his name on a bunch of buildings probably yeah so maybe the parents are dead maybe they died in a small helicopter crash good in the early 80s having sex yeah having sex that's the first scene in the erotic thriller they should have humped in the helicopter but uh but yeah so she probably no parents engaged
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Um, inherited all this wealth and money's just no object at all times. Yeah.
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Like she's, she's not getting any juice from it. But people like that, they sometimes, how are they going to meet people? They're so intimidating. It's like the princess diet corollary. Yeah. Or the Tiger Woods' ex-wife when she was smoking hot and inherited most of his money and everybody was afraid to date her for like four years.
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Sometimes that happens. Which leads me to my next unanswerable question. Claire, one of the great catches in movie history. And now she's just off to Europe.
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And by the way, this is not an ad for two because they can fuck off because they haven't given us kiss of death yet, but they could do a carousel category just called 87. Yeah. And there's like 20 of these that they made this year. But Fatal Attraction was the one that I think did the best.
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Yeah, you really have to have a lot of confidence. And probably some deep wallets. I feel like Craig could maybe hang for like an hour. Craig, could you hang with an hour? Single Craig? Yeah, I'd tell her about Tet. The NFL draft stuff? Tell her about the Dannys? Um...
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So interested in the NFL draft, lady. My last unanswerable. This is a really good one. great movie breakups where it's just like, I'm not sure this person's going to be the same anytime soon. Yeah. This is way up there. What are, what are Claire's next three boyfriends look like after this? Oh, she's almost been murdered over and over again.
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Well, it's like when Ian Hathaway, when she was dating that guy that I think she was engaged to, and he was that rich Italian dude, but then it turned out he was a complete phony. Like a con artist? Yeah, he was a con artist. And then it was like, what are, like, after that, who do you, are you on Raya after that? Being like, yeah, I'd love to meet somebody.
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Like, you're just like, I never want to meet anyone again. Yeah. I just don't know what her next three look like. Probably like, I think she goes super old.
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That's a pretty good one. I'm dating Gerald Wilkins. He's on the next. He's the starting two guard. The Zuantanay Award. What happened the next day?
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Yeah. I have the same. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie?
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I would like the jet sweatshirt to give it to Sean. I had that or the tie, but the jet sweatshirt. I wonder if it's findable on eBay. The coach Finstock or for best life lesson. What the hell is so great about being married? Marriage is an idea whose time has come and gone. There's an actual quote in this movie.
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I don't think he wants to. She kind of breaks him down.
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He can't even make eye contact with her. Yeah. Well, I think they have such a good relationship. He doesn't want to hide stuff from her. That's how I interpreted it.
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Best double feature choice. I had Jagged Edge. So, 87. Just, again, the to be greatest. Almost like how the NBA was. That was one of the best NBA years. I had Black Widow. But you also could have talked me into Fatal Attraction, Jagged Edge, or a couple other movies from that. But I think it has to be another 87 movie to get. Because I had Black Widow because that's another movie.
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Don't have that drink. Yeah, don't have that. But it's a lot of, they'll set up in the beginning, oh man, this guy's really got a nice life. Yeah. Really, there's usually only one kid. They never have two because two, it gets a little chaotic. The one kid they can both have the relationship with, he'll bust the parents' balls.
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I think that also might be a 2B movie. Black Widow is? Deborah Winger and Teresa Russell. Yeah, but Jagged Edge is a couple years before. Glenn Close plays a lawyer. Oh, right. That's 85. Yeah. But I think Suspect is 87, which is another one. Dennis Quaid and Cher. Another 2B all-star. But Black Widow. It's another one where the first 90% of the movie is awesome. And then the last 10% sucks.
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And then the last 10 minutes, you're like, what the fuck?
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Yeah. Really tough one.
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I think it's Mimi or Bracco, but I think it's Mimi because this movie left me. Wishing she had done more. Yeah. Bracco got to be in some good stuff. Mimi. It's like, what? Felt like there was more there. Maybe there could have been some good. Like, could she have been the lead of law and order SVU for like 25 years?
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Maybe we just need to have her on the rewatchables and just dive into stuff. Yeah. Figure out what's going on with her. All right. This is really, really exciting. Craig had no idea what this movie was.
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They'll throw some scene in the first 15 minutes where either they just had sex or they're thinking about it and the wife still looks good. but you can also see why he would get seduced by a Mimi Rogers or crazy Glenn Close with their hair. There's, he's kind of, you know, this is, he's settled into whatever his life's going to be, but there's that small piece of them going.
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I mean, there's like nothing. Do we not look like a bare Berenger ass? Yeah, because I think... I honestly don't understand it. That's really like... I think he was trying to make it very tasteful and classical. But it's really like he's not really like a big, crazy nudity sex guy, is he?
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Right. Right. Well, it's an interesting choice because Mimi's tall and she's... I'll say the word buxom. And they really try to hide her and close the entire movie. You don't know it. Because it's all about her hair and her face and her outfits.
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That's why we needed the jet scene. We needed a jet scene.
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Some kid in a Johnny Lamb Jones jersey throws up next to her.
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Let's go have those cocktails. Should. This would have been a good category. Should Mike have had a mustache? Hmm. Would you give him a New York?
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Yeah. That category we have about, did this movie need a sports scene? This movie so clearly needs a jet scene with him going to the jets with three of his buddies, not with Claire. But when they're like, so, Mikey, what's going on with you and that rich broad?
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Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think? Were you surprised that this was basically the best movie she's been in?
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It's an incredible, can't believe her and Cruz were a couple. I know.
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A lot of teeth for both of them. The kids would have been really interesting. Probably super handsome, but kind of Kennedy-like. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Craig Horvath, producer. Great job by you today, by the way. Thanks. Jack Sanders as well back there. CR, Chris Ryan. One for us. We'll start doing some bigger ones after this episode, but we had to squeeze this out. Good to see you, CR.
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I wonder what else is out there. And these movies just attacked it for 10 years.
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I just want to see Jon Hamm steal from his friends. That's where MTV was. My name is Bill Simmons. Ciara and I have been doing... We did the first Rewatchables ever. It started in my... The last one. It started at my pool house. This might be the last one. Every once in a while, we do one for us. We've been circling this for a while. But really, Tubi... who is not a sponsor of this podcast.
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So off the way you just said Mimi Rogers had this quote. Ridley Scott is the most visual director I've ever worked with. He actually paints with light and with lenses and with angles, and it's a very unique process. It becomes an element of the story because Ridley creates such a strong mood with his visuals.
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And she was saying, like, he almost cared more about how something looked than what the actors were doing. And she was saying, there was that YouTube interview. I did a Mimi Rogers deep dive. Yeah. Our girl, Bobby Wagant, who had these weird interviews in Dallas where they just keep the cameras rolling even before the interview starts. And you just see them awkwardly in it.
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And it's the most awkward things you've ever seen. And she's got like the big bun hairdo. Yeah. And she's just like,
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Yeah, back then it was more simple questions like, you have such beautiful hair, but your hair is different in the movie. Why is it different? That's an actual question Bobby White can't answer. Is it hard to kiss someone you're not married to? Right, right. So it's a lot of stuff like that. But Mimi Rogers said, yeah, I cut, when my hair's shorter, it gets fluffier.
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But Ridley wanted me to put these little blonde highlights in it so my hair's a little lighter because... so much of what we filmed that night was in the dark and a dark like shadows, all this stuff. And he wanted the light to hit the highlights of my hair. And it's like, Ridley Scott, you're the fucking man. Yeah. Even, this movie that's a pretty average plot for a late 80s movie.
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And he's just like, I'm making a Picasso out of this movie.
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Or Berenger walking the streets. And as usual in New York movies, nobody's on the street. There's not a single hobo, anything. Just wet streets with sunlight streaming off them.
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Yeah, nobody's going to stab you. He was in, I think it was like the third or fourth premiere magazine ever. I'm going to show it on camera because we're now a video podcast.
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where yeah check him out like now he's he looks like logan roy now but back then uh younger but he wrote this piece about why he wanted to make this movie and he was coming off the duelist movie that you and sean we might have to rewatchables that one at some point sure um blade runner blade He did Legend. He felt like he was alien.
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And I'm mad at Tubi because they won't give us Kiss of Death and they can actually fuck off. So this is not a sponsor. But every once in a while, Tubi understands us. And they kept shoving someone to watch over me.
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He felt like he was becoming pigeonholed as this kind of like grand idea, you know, sci-fi, whatever. And he really just, he said, someone to watch over me was to be a change of pace for me. It's set in present day New York and it deals with the lives and relationships of contemporary characters.
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And then he did all this research, which I thought was funny, where he really wanted to study Queens, how cops interacted. And I was just thinking how funny that would have been in like 1986. It was just like this Ridley Scott showing up.
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that he was interested in this high, high society life and somebody going between these two worlds. And he was like, he said, this is another quote he had. I wanted to create that dilemma in the central character's mind by giving me a very strong home life and a very strong wife. I wanted his attraction to Claire to be more than sexual. I wanted to be cerebral about everything.
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Always. Hey, have you heard about this movie? It's like, not only have I heard about this movie, I've seen it 30 times. And we said, fuck it. We're doing the rewatchables. It's next.
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It's a choice between women. So the casting was,
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‘Someone to Watch Over Me’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan
important but like the key scene in this movie that says it's like he's just not thinking about fucking mimi rogers when his wife is in the bathroom and she's swearing and he's like why do you have to swear yeah and she's and you're like oh man mimi's got you you you love a taste of the classy lady brock ellie's like i've been swearing for 16 years yeah what the fuck why are you bringing this up now fuck face yeah she's like he's like that's what i mean beringer
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‘Someone to Watch Over Me’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan
Big chill. Eddie and the Cruisers. I'm going to look in the camera for this one. Fuck you again, Tubi, because Eddie and the Cruisers, you assholes. We do your movies. Then you put them on the main screen and you won't give us Eddie and the Cruisers and Kiss of Death. Fuck off. Platoon. Someone to watch over me.
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‘Someone to Watch Over Me’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan
And then has this shoot to kill, betrayed, last rights, major league is kind of the last. And then he kind of moves into some different territory. But It never 100% happens, and yet I feel like he had something. We talked about it during the Big Chill podcast. He had some sort of leading man thing that I just don't understand why he wasn't Clooney, Costner.
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‘Someone to Watch Over Me’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan
It just felt like that should have been his career for 10 years.
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Like he does Tombstone in 1985.
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‘Before Sunrise’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
Kellen Moore has it dialed by that.
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‘Before Sunrise’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
You don't know what it's like to get blitzed by snacks!
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‘Before Sunrise’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
Let's see each other again. Castle Rock Entertainment presents Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy in a new romantic comedy from Richard Linklater. Before Sunrise, rated R. At select theaters Friday.
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‘Before Sunrise’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
They couldn't get a grasp on Gen X. Nicely enough, it is now, though. It is now.
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‘Before Sunrise’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
Have you ever heard that as couples get older, they lose their ability to hear each other?
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Well, supposedly, men lose their ability to hear higher pitch sounds, and women eventually lose hearing in the low end. I guess they sort of nullify each other or something.
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Let me get my bag.
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What's her character's name?
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Can you imagine telling Selene, I want a best day with you. I want to do this. But in about 20 years, they're going to invent something called All 22. And it's going to take over my life. So I'm actually sparing you from later unhappiness.
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‘Before Sunrise’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
The okay, motherfucker award for the exact moment.
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You know what he's looking at?
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Why are you so interested in me getting off this train, lady? With hockey masks and suits with open shirt collars.
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You seem to be moving around a lot.
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She's begging to be played in one, Jim! She just wants one kiss, Jim! He's just gotta do it right now, Jim! Jesse's gotta do it, Jim!
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It's really hard. Give him the poem. He's got to see the poem. Look up the poem.
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Skip it. We're all friends here. Daydream delusion. Limousine eyelash. Oh, baby with your pretty face. Drop a tear in my wine glass. Look at those big eyes. See what you mean to me. Sweet cakes and milkshakes. Milkshakes. I am a delusion. Sweet cakes and milkshakes. I drink your milkshake.
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I can't ride this train anymore. Clements is pitching. Mike Greenwell and Ellis Burks are really gonna fucking put it together.
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‘Heaven Can Wait’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
yeah the town in england leberstrom but you kind of like with the people who are in it they're so good that you're just sort of like yeah yeah i get i get basically this guy's dead he's come back he's fallen in love but don't you feel like it got better the movie gets better as it goes along
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Yeah, it's about a backup quarterback from the Rams, but it's also about whether or not you have a true love and the soul exists. Yeah, whether your body matters. Yeah.
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I'm thinking about Excalibur. What's the movie that she's in?
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Yeah, it's Helen Mirren where she plays, what's her name? Morgana? Morgana.
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Welcome to the jungle And just like Takes his girl Part of the magic was Was he ever like Isn't this the kind of fairy dust That we're talking about that he must have Where you're just like how is this guy Who's kind of a quirky anxious Good looking Gray head of hair All that stuff but like He doesn't look like he's an action movie star.
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Every once in a while, you're going to strike out. It's a numbers game.
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It's like Shea driving Lane.
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That's also something that dates the movie in a good way for me, but does date it when I was watching... You know, in the beginning of the film when he's bicycling around Malibu and you're just like, this is like another planet. Like, when could you bicycle around Topanga Canyon like this?
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Now I just can't get the idea of Rosillo playing soprano saxophone. I'm so proud of my head.
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really really amazing screwball comedy watching it again this time it was just so great to see how like the bones of like the Philadelphia story and here's girl Friday and kind of all the great comedies from the 30s and 40s and form this and you know with all the people involved it's sort of amazing to look at Warren Beatty and think about how famous he was and how he put all of his cred and energy into making this which is essentially like this really light sweet comedy
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And that had been kicking around, like the boxer idea had been kicking around since the late 60s. And I think the original screenplay Coppola wrote, right? Yeah.
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That really is a pre-two.
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Towards the end of the film, Julia Christie, she comes in after the Super Bowl and she's like trying to find the locker room. And when Beatty gives her directions, he's like, you got to go all the way down the hallway, make three lefts, make a right, or you can go back around from where you came. And it was like because the Coliseum is like those old stadiums that are just like like a maze.
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Yeah, a lot of people.
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I know it hurts. His presence with his just like wearing the like Rams windbreaker and the Rams hat. He's the trainer, right? Like that's his job.
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Let me know what happens. It's the biggest game we've ever had. He's participating in a sting operation to get dying kids.
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I like Peter Sellers and I like sharks.
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You should check. I could see Sean going either way.
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I can't remember somebody that I'm talking about how much I love those movies. It's not one of my favorite Clintons.
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I wonder though, if like the, I think that might've been the scar tissue of that assessment by her leads him to doing reds though. Because Reds is the complete opposite.
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They do a great job in five minutes of being like, oh, these guys are fucking boys. And Beatty's in that, like, got all the bric-a-brac in that little house up in the canyon. And he's just wearing jeans and a t-shirt. I have the first eight minutes, which is like the title sequence. basically leading up to the tunnel, to his bike ride.
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The minimalist approach.
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I mean, I think also the way the movies are made and written and produced demands a lot more. I mean, there's a lot of exposition in this movie, but actors are required to do so many different things now. It's crazy. I guess you could say he's a convincing L.A. Rams quarterback in this movie, but Woody really is. He really is. Like throws a good football. He's a convincing LA rich guy.
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I have a different read on him, but like, yeah. Well, yeah. Do you think Reynolds wasn't naturally a quarterback, right?
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He could run though. I mean, the final piece of the movie. That's right. He has to scramble at the end.
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Oh, he's doing all the Altman stuff with sound where you can hear, like, the defenders being like, pass, pass, pass. All of that stuff.
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Yeah, also, how awesome is it to be Warren Beatty and you're like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to quarterback the Rams for an afternoon. Right.
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Right. Well, that's what they did with F1, right? And that's what they did on Days of Thunder, where they're throwing guys in there just to shoot it.
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It's a preseason game against the Chargers was the crowd, right?
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That's a great crowd for a preseason Rams game.
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Anyway, most of us... You guys want to go on preseason rallies?
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So... getting in a car accident while you're on your bicycle, your wife trying to kill you, you know, chemically poisoning an English town.
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And he's a convincing LA playboy. And he's a convincing, like, it's like, he just has this like star power at the center of this movie. And the movie is actually just like a temple built to that.
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yeah is that in that haven see they get on me about it but you're in the life i thought you wanted to be a quarterback no never mind i'm enjoying my time yeah it's like video's not coming for a while can you imagine james mason and buck henry's invisibly sitting in a porn set uh uh i like uh
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I won't tell a word to anybody. I promise. It'll be our little secret. Our little secret? Like what you told me about your older sister and the Coca-Cola salesman?
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‘Heaven Can Wait’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Hey, what about that scar you got on the bottom of your tongue, huh? What the hell did you do? What happened? What did you do at your uncle's wedding? Hey, what about the first time I fixed your neck in Pittsburgh? Oh, man.
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You'd just talk about the thread?
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No, because then you would be like, you could have hacked my phone or something like that. It's got to be like a personal experience. Right. Like something. What's the thing? Like, what's going to be the thing? Like, I would be like, you took me to your childhood diner in Boston. Oh. Oh, yeah. Cabots.
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things we could do. I think that thing I said to you earlier today actually could be a core memory. That could be a core memory. I went on a golf weekend last weekend and we had caddies and I reflexively turned the van and apologized.
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I was like, we had to have caddies.
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Well, we saw that. I think going to see Black Hat, just the three of us at the Olympic UA.
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I was going to save this for later, but I have to ask you this now. Yeah. Are you kind of bummed out that professional sports franchises have reached the price point that they're at because otherwise you could get into a Farnsworth kind of situation? Oh, yeah. I was thinking about that.
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Do you think all this rumor-mongering about breaking up the Celtics is coming direct from Chisholm because he's going to install himself?
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But this is exactly what you're right though, where it's like, I will kind of want to live in a world where LeBron owns a team. And then it's like at the playoffs is like, you know what? I'm fucking coming back.
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That would be awesome.
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We got distracted, but you had the training montage and football practice.
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What does Grodin say? Disregard any of his racial statements?
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Grodin's out of his mind in this movie.
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Hey. A little fresh air wouldn't hurt.
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Would you pay a penny to save a fish that thinks?
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Yeah, and also had some real hitters helping on set and writing the script, like Elaine May and Buck Henry are two of the funniest screenwriters that have ever existed. What's your most rewatchable? I probably go training montage football practice. I just go back and back and watching Grodin watch him get sacked. Yeah.
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um what's the most 1977 thing about this movie what do you have uh professional athletes being closer to normal people than they are now so like the idea of like joe living alone in a pretty modest house and not having anybody over for his birthday and just hanging out like now he'd be like yo i'm
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But like stockbrokers got paid more than those guys. You know, like you would be like famous, but you might not get paid that much. And it's just like that opening sequence where you're like, this guy's just jogging like a normal person and wearing jeans. It's really cool.
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Yeah, so like in the Reggie Jackson era. That was another one.
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But there was like half a dozen guys who kind of reached that level, and then you could be starting quarterback for the Rams or the backup quarterback for the Rams, and you were pretty anonymous, right?
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Is it the folio house? Is that what it is?
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And you also didn't get to go to Bill's childhood dinner.
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Oh, I had a feeling Michael Douglas would do that. Michael Douglas, also pretty much the heir to the Warren Beatty style of like.
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China syndrome, Mike? You don't think he could have tossed it around a little bit?
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And then five people on Twitter would be like, Joe Pendleton was a bucket. Joe Pendleton was a problem. What do you have? I have a six-pack of Cannon. Let's go. Diane Cannon wanting a drink. Diane Cannon's outfits. Diane Cannon's eye acting whenever Charles Grodin covers her mouth. Diane Cannon's screaming.
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Diane Cannon's off-screen body count, including Johnny Carson, Armand DeSante, and Cary Grant. And Diane Cannon's still cranking out Lakers home games. Going for it.
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But they are so fucking funny together. It's hysterical. Yeah, it's hysterical.
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It's his own movie. Him in full pajamas with her.
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Yeah, I mean, what a run for him. I should have reconfigured this. Gardini now officially has more movies on rewatchables than Warren Beatty. Wow. Nuts.
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That's up there with the basketball pyramid. I don't know.
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And is this sudden death overtime?
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Yeah. Yeah. I was the only other thing I had for what's aged the best is this movie is one of the first things in culture that I can remember, like being like California new age wellness, like drinking way shakes and alfalfa sprouts.
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And the kind of weird, like out like California way of, of, of health, which obviously I have that in what's aged the worst, because I think in 2025, if somebody did a liver and way drink, whatever the fuck that was, I'd be, don't fucking tell Craig about a good time.
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Yeah, Leo Farnsworth goes woke at the end. Goes woke.
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All of his outfits when he first has to be Leo and he's like, do I play polo? And they're like, not really. Do I like boats? Nah. He's just like a super fucking pretender.
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What's the most pre-two thing about this movie?
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Buck Henry and Warren Beatty walking through the clouds at the beginning of the weigh station scene. Just like him trying to catch up to him. That whole sequence is just great. Must have really blown some minds in the late 70s to be like, oh, that's heaven.
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The airplane terminal for heaven. I was going to do this later. I'll do it now.
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And then you'll try to find a young blogger to throw your soul inside of.
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Ciara's here. Starting my new narrative podcast called Warren Beatty's Body Count. Can't wait to get into that. Have you been on every episode of 70s Month?
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All right, CR, flex, go. You know, I'm gonna go Mallory Rubin did this movie need a better sex scene. Because... It is kind of weird that Diane Cannon is a 10, is the proto Dana Wheeler Nicholson in this movie, and is leaving Warren Beatty for Charles Grodin, who seems to be a never nude and is in full silk pajamas in bed with her.
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And I just feel like we could have had one scene of Grodin and her going after it.
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Surprise Beatty. It's just like going against his better instincts. Maybe he didn't trust himself.
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Yeah, he jumps up and runs back on the field.
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To his style, yeah.
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What do you have a weak link?
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I think Julie Christie's hair and her vibe. I think she is one of the most stunning women that's ever been born, but this haircut was not doing her any favors. 70s. What's aged the worst?
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Warren Beatty's 1970s character names.
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Joe, John, Joe, Joseph, George, Nicky, Joe, John. Put a little fucking elbow grease into this, Warren.
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it is kind of funny to watch this movie and think about, is this movie about Jimmy Garoppolo? Like, would this movie be like, if Matt Stafford died, Jimmy Garoppolo would become the starting quarterback.
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I have 1970s quarterback offensive line slash protections. Can't really imagine Drake May making it through too many of these games. I have a couple.
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It's the school year. But it doesn't matter. If she's not successful, there will be no school.
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No kids. Maybe the pickings aren't great. She came out there, but it's all part of God's plan.
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Cause you can make, you may be like, did James Mason leave it there? Like, was there, you know, like, is it there yet?
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That was what was great about football back then. They just had to let it rock.
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I could, I could have done without the Agatha Christie part.
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I would have taken five more Superbowl plays and three less minutes of him being like, and it was you in the kitchen with the candlestick.
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There's just a lot of ways that could have gone. David Geffen, you know? Yeah.
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This is not my hot take, but you could say Joe is just an all-time bad dude because he is basically using other human beings as meat puppets so that he can play in one fucking game.
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I mean, Tom Jarrett would have died anyway. Yeah, but Joe is like, rather than go to heaven, I need to have this affirmation of my athletic career. But who is he harming?
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Right. But he's only interested in doing it with a guy who's athletically gifted enough so that they could feasibly be trained to play quarterback. It's not like he's trying to bend the rules a little bit. Think about the horror. This is also my hottest take that I've come up with on the spot.
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He's like, it's too short.
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And Tom Jarrett theoretically is third string quarterback. So he probably has like a two bedroom place in like Encino. Right.
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That he's fucking with him. Mine is that when Mr. Jordan says the likelihood of one individual being right increases in direct proportion to the intensity with which others are trying to prove him wrong. He just basically invents Jim Rome in the jungle right there. Mr. Jordan invented date culture.
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I believe she is, but now you still got me thinking of young Helen Mirren.
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Shampoo's an incredible movie.
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This is sort of like an extra caveat to the Van Lathan Award should be the Matthew McConaughey, now imagine he's black. Think about that, because if you're...
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How bad do I want it?
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What happened with Joe Milton? Why'd you guys trade him?
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It's a difficult period for casting what-ifs. Doing Super 70s month is hard because it's like the same 30 people are linked to the role. Because they were like, this is how you get the movie made. Just get one of these 30 people.
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It's like Hagman, Pacino, De Niro, blah, blah, blah.
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For every role, it's like the same guy. The first Goldman book is a lot about the star you need to get any movie made. You gotta get Clint Eastwood, you gotta get Robert Redford.
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I always think about him in relationship to Redford around this time period because they're two very obviously famous stars. movie stars who took real control over their careers, whether it was producers or director-producers or what have you.
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Is Eastwood not like the biggest star in the world at this point? He just couldn't have been in a movie like this.
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He's just like, I'll tell you when you're ready to shoot, you little twerp. Can you imagine Eastwood being like the day that Grodin gets the drop on him and shoots him and you fall into a well? I don't think I could ever see that happening.
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There's also this weird thing with this movie. It's very cool looking, and it's delightful. But the co-directing credit, and Buck Henry was brought on because Beatty didn't want to have to direct other actors in scenes that he's in, but Warren Beatty's in almost every scene, so which directing did he do? Buck Henry's really bitter in the book.
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And Redford, I think for the most part, kind of set the tone for the kind of movie star, especially the great actors that we have now, like a DiCaprio, say, for instance, where it seems like every time Leonardo DiCaprio works, he wants to push the ball forward. It's an important movie. Most of the times, it's about an important issue, right? Yeah.
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Groton or Cannon. I had Warden or Mason. I guess Warden's in too much. I had Mason. Warden's in too much.
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Well, I feel like Cannon's like the third person in this film.
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I think it's Reds. Reds? Because he gets the Oscar.
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But then there's this era where Warren Beatty would make these big movies and they were important, but they were also pretty good times at the movies. He was still remembering the entertainment value of just hanging out with a group of people in Los Angeles for two hours. And I think that that's something that's sort of been lost, but Redford was also a really big...
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Something to be said for the fact that he does Reds and doesn't really do anything with it until Ishtar. Yeah, he has like a five-year... I think he's just getting down.
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Right? Yeah, I mean, I think Dave is just... They find a twin. That's nothing metaphysical about it. This is the fifth biggest movie of a giant movie year. Yeah.
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Yeah, does Midnight Run and then his talk show comes after Midnight Run? Yeah. A couple years later?
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First iteration of the LA Rams.
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I think you could say. Yeah.
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She wrote a Chaka Khan song. She's an absolute renaissance woman.
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Like somebody who's real. I mean, Xanadu in Citizen Kane is pretty cool. The Greystone Mansion. Batman.
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I mean, to be honest with you, with the, with the, Cruz is not convincing me as a quarterback.
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I think if Tom Cruz had done this movie, he would have been like, I can get the butlers like to play for the Rams. Like I'll get all of my, I'll get everybody. Yeah.
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I feel like Redford made issue movies. I feel like he made movies because he was like, this is an important film that everybody needs to see. Do you see kind of like the comparison I'm making a little bit?
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Older him could have played Max.
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I bet we all have very similar ones. I'll start. Why does the head trainer get so much say over who's playing quarterback? Fucking doesn't matter what the fuck you think.
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You just wouldn't know anything. Yeah. Also, the biggest nitpick is, unless I'm mistaken, we never know what shape Leo Farnsworth... I mean, he's like Leo Farnsworth's in good shape. You wouldn't know how old he is. How old is he?
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How weird is it that the Jets, Ravens, and Pats all got behind the Eagles there for the tush push? It's all the people, all the teams of the ring.
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It would have been incredible. I can't. So who would, Jared would have been third string at the start of the season, right?
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And no one had ever seen anybody recover from a knee injury like that without surgery. He basically did it with health training. With whey protein and liver.
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No. I'm going to say no. I would love to see the 1978 NFL owners guidelines.
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And the cannon goes off.
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He Lee Harpies us. Yeah. Well, and also the question then becomes... The Rams owner dies the day of the Super Bowl or these murders discovered.
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The murders discovered the day of. Which would then put the Rams at the center of yet another insane story. Yeah. Not to mention two quarterbacks dying. Guy buys the team, makes himself starting quarterback, gets killed.
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Yeah. I don't know. He gets from wherever Farnsworth is supposed to be living in Southern California to the Coliseum. Yeah.
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No, I've gotten them all out.
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I would also stretch it out a little bit so you got a little bit more Gruden and Cannon. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's like, what do these two talk about?
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I broke a new character out for you.
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Just for this movie. So Pablo Torre? John Gruden. John Gruden. Let me talk to you about this Joe Pendleton out of the Los Angeles Rams organization. Okay. Running a concept I like to call broom X lightning. And I love the arm angle. And let me tell you something about Joe Pendleton, though. The guy's a fruitcake. Okay. With the alfalfa sprout shakes.
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We didn't have those in Mike Holmgren's QB room. Brett Favre was drinking six cans of bush with three Percocets. And he did just fine. I don't know why I made him kind of like he's in Strange Brew.
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It's in his contract.
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I don't know whether that's a good or bad thing. The times have changed. If George Clooney made this movie 10 years ago, Even 10 years ago, you could see it being a nice Amazon movie that you watch randomly on a Friday night. And they're like, oh, that was cool. This is a $100 million movie that got mad Oscar nominations. It was the centerpiece of the filmmaking culture.
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Who won supporting actress this year?
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Locked in. There's a lot of volatility there, so I think I'd take it. You'd take it? Yeah. There's a chance heaven could be better.
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I really, I just, aesthetically speaking, the most pleasant is Defending Your Life. Oh, yeah, Defending Your Life is good. Because I really like the idea of being able to eat as much as you want. And the food tasting fucking amazing, whatever you eat. But I would have a hard time, like, going over every pot, you know, in front of a jury.
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But they're entities. They're spirits or angels. The answer is this is the end.
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That was a good heaven.
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Would your idea of who to jump into would be like, I need to jump into a guy who has access to FanDuel.
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It's even sadder to think about nothing happening.
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Just the TV goes off.
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That's me. Inwardly, you haven't changed. You're still Joe Pendleton. That's what you and I see. But outwardly, you're Leo Francois. And that's what everyone else will see.
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Uh, any of the funny, uh, Leo Farnsworth hats, like all the outfits that he rocks when he's first Farnsworth.
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I miss number 16 being a pretty standard quarterback number.
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Yeah, it's like Montana was that. Stabler was that. Vinny Testaverde. Jake the Snake was 16.
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This is a funny one. We've also done it on the rewatchables, but in the same kind of like kicking around rich people, LA vibe, I would go Fletch. Oh, that's good. Oh, that's good.
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Mallrats is iconic. Bought a lot of stuff. Her and Doherty in Mallrats.
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Can I ask you, did you think like the first 15 minutes where you're like, this is incredible? Like when he's like drinking the shake and watching game film and being Warren Beatty, where you're like, if it's this, it's going to be great.
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Is it the lowest ranked super 70s movie for you?
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Not impressed with Warren Beatty and Buck Henry.
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Yeah, he's very particular. He was very deliberate.
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He was pushing to... Well, he was for Boogie Nights. For Boogie Nights.
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He was also, he got pretty far down the road with playing Bill in Kill Bill.
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He's proto Fincher and like apparently made Jack Nicholson cry on Reds where Jack Nicholson's just like, what the fuck do you want from me?
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And you know, like Hackman. Just do it again, Sierra.
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I was about to say, do Wayne Jenkins over and over and over until you got it right. 20 times, baby. Do you think Beatty has faded a little bit in terms of like the star power or the... the level of attraction that these 70s films have. Like, I think that these are some of the great movies of the last 50, 60 years.
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Bonnie and Clyde, McCabe and Mrs. Miller, Parallax especially, but Shampoo and Heaven and Reds. But I feel like he's less kind of highly regarded than Redford and maybe even Hackman and Pacino and De Niro, the guys that come right immediately after him.
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Yeah. Um, yeah, he's three years older than Pacino, but doesn't have like a, a movie like heat or sin of a woman from the nineties. That's like, Oh, that's his six when he was in his late 50s.
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A guy thrown around in LA on January 6th.
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yes what what he was could do to move the ball down the field then he's not a scrambler and you don't want him in the he just i'm gonna do this this is my move in quintessential kind of screwball rom-com like fashion you can watch this film there's a lot of plot in this yeah there's a lot of stuff about like his company and charles groden and diane cannon's relationship in the background in england
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Those were in their 40s. She looked like Christie Brinkley. What are you talking about? Late 30s? No.
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Oh, yeah. All right. You're right. They're definitely not cougars. All right.
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Redick. Multiple MVP. Eight-time champ. They applauded him. The crew applauded. He's an American. He's a French-American hero. The crew applauded Bob Cousy.
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Oh, my God. It's on YouTube. We can run a social video right now. Bob Cousy will say this in a YouTube clip.
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No takeout at all? Algiers rules. Yeah.
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You get eaten. Just go into this game.
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How about we'll set you some picks and just go to the basket?
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That would be amazing. What a great idea.
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Um, the white guy knew exactly what he needed.
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That's it. Great cameo. So great to talk to you.
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Crazy shit. Did we just... That's when...
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That's the last scene of the movie?
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Oh my God. Like, if he was the Ed O'Neill part, he comes in.
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Let's get away. She's in the woods? Yeah, she's in the woods.
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He's got the football program.
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Do you know this whole story?
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Yeah, that's Hoffman. That's a great movie.
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Yeah, yeah. He's really angry.
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I'm like, oh, fucking shit, Tom Cruise. This goddamn Emperor Palpatine. What the fuck is going on?
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It's the one with the two towers.
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Yeah, Sean Astin had no role in getting the ring to Mordor. It wasn't a big three. Chris Bosh was a bench guy.
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Wait. Did he say something to you?
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Jack, he made you... I was complimenting him. Weird, kissing... That's bullshit.
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Let's just throw on Amistad.
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Be quiet and close the door.
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Standing down. Let's see.
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You're just handing it off, man. You read this on spread offense yet?
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Did he direct Indian Summer?
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walk because I get it I found her disturbing yeah right I think that was kind of the point but I get it but that is kind of not a fun hang that is kind of one of the things bad hang that is kind of tough tinder sway you know that you would immediately take Agatha to the sports book just be like while I have you here she's yours do you think Nomar gets more than two hits tonight yeah what do you know about hockey Kings Oilers anyone
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Oh, yeah, the feel-out.
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I had nothing to add. It's cool. I was just moving on to the next thing. We call that the Simmons cell. It's like he acknowledges that you're there, but it's not like, oh, let's get into it. It's fine. I think it's great. It's hard to host.
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Goodbye, girl. And wait a second!
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I love the idea of this person is telepathic. Connor McDavid, two goals.
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I think you need a dense... Miami's too happy.
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That's a great point.
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I want a world without murder, even if innocent people are going to jail.
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Get some dick, Craig. Yeah. I just got dicked. When he's like...
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Drayvon's going to get set here.
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Minority Report. Rough landing. Have to work on that. This film not yet rated. June 21st. Only in theaters.
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So this is just niche movie that you love, but nobody else cares about. Or you think it's too controversial? It would probably be...
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Turn around. I'd like to look at your face. I'd like to get another look at you.
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Is it mostly new category suggestions or just broad questions? What is it?
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We just won't cast Baldoni in it. He's out. Baldoni is the bad guy.
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I'm always in. There could be a Florida movie month probably, right?
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Like it was, it was this role, this movie that elevated them.
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Mm-hmm. This is a great category and it can be within the Joey Pants award.
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I had a college professor. I took a film class, and he was talking about movie spoilers and how if you haven't seen these certain movies, there's a certain amount of time where if you haven't seen it, he didn't care. He asked the class. It was a big class, 200, 300 people. He said, raise your hand if you haven't seen The Sixth Sense. I hadn't yet.
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And maybe 18, 20, 25 people raised their hand out of 300. And then he goes, Bruce Willis is a ghost. And I was just like, are you fucking kidding me? And then he was like, has anyone here seen Fight Club? And I hadn't yet. And I got up and I left. Did you really? Did you go back to the class or did you drop it right there? No, I just left for the rest.
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That guy sucked. I forget his name, but look at me now.
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Nope. We have an opportunity for a fun trend every year where Chris and Sean have to make you watch a movie that we do in the rewatchables and then you have to make the two of them watch a movie that we do in the rewatchables. That's a category coming up.
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I'll take a screenshot and send it to you. Oh, one CR watch tonight. Oh.
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Yeah, it would be fun to know the worst rated movie we've ever done.
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The ghost likes us. What do you, what do you have? Anything good? Uh, Any zombie apocalypse movie, I'm actually probably just ending it myself. Like, I am legend. There's no way I could get anywhere close to where Will Smith got. First 10 minutes, I'm just ending it. I see one zombie, it's over.
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I like in general just knowing what actors did for real in the movie. I think that's a fun...
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It's just Lord of the Rings 1, 2, and 3. And Lebowski. Which is every Captain America. I do like this idea.
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And like not passing? Never do the Julius Randall. I don't think you should host if you haven't seen it though, right? Somebody else has to host it.
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Right. But then it should be still Chris hosting Lord of the Rings.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's... It's still the three of you, but just their hosting. But if Van wanted to do one... Or Van, whoever.
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How prepped am I? Yeah, you should probably see the first one first.
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It'd be great if you, Sean, and Van just chose the three Lord of the Rings movies in a row.
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We've discussed replacing the name Dion Waiters with a different player, right?
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Oh, and then just falls apart. Or it's like they're only good in this movie, like Michael Madsen and Tarantino films or something. Yeah, that's good.
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It could also be for their career. I think it's character who only works in this movie or actor who only works in this movie or with this director.
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Unless you just want to treat it as he was great with Kevin O'Connell in this system.
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I don't know what that means. What is a burner room? It's a second room.
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We came up with, our listeners sent in Cruise vs. Hanks. That's where we got that.
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I don't know. Entourage is coming to Netflix. I feel it. We might have to keep it around.
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What's on the Philly Mount Rushmore that hasn't been done yet?
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Oh. Yeah, only three and four. Yeah. Keeping people guessing.
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Do you respect it less if they were real smokers in real life?
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Rust is good because he'll keep everybody calm. He's kind of in a non-violent crime.
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We need to start adding visuals to these categories too on YouTube. Like, whenever time we introduce that category, we got to show Edie. Right.
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You let it build up in your head. I also think there are so many movies that you guys did in like 2017, 18 that were so good. You came out so hot for the first 15, 20 movies. They were just banger after banger after banger. But a lot of those, you didn't have the categories for those. You could bring all those back.
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This is how we'll decide who gets to pick the movie the other people have to watch. We'll do a coin toss live on camera.
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Yeah, throw on the rewatchables for the students, you know?
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on the rewatchables in terms of like appearances to the amount of yeah it's almost like we don't want to book them anymore right it's it's it's town vision quest wolf of wall street is that it deliverance yeah oh margin call i think he's done like five or six that was his choice uh-huh i like this for solo idea though we're gonna have to try yeah so good right now it's so good before sunrise later this month
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No, like the Sandlot is a 10 out of 10. It was, it did exactly what it needed to do.
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So overcooked rotisserie chicken for heat. So were you just picking an item from the movie or is it whatever you feel like is the perfect pair?
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I think you could work this into every movie. How can we shoehorn a sports scene into this? You guys have to come up with one. I think it's great.
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Yeah, I mean, looking at these movies, like body double. Is he like going to play racquetball one day? That's a good one.
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This would work, I think. What are they playing in Hereditary?
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Well, we could double feature similar to that, right? Yeah. Yeah.
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There's a great one, Mrs. Doubtfire is a horror film on YouTube. Oh, is there? Yeah. That's good. Trailer.
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So this is a good question. As a co-host, Cruz or Hanks?
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Even if he hasn't been in it. Just the entertainment factor is so much higher.
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You know what I mean? Did Jaws significantly affect people going into the ocean?
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I've actually never been to an Alamo draft house. They're opening one on the west side, I heard. Yeah, we just saw, I mean, they put Interstellar out last month, and it was huge. And among, like, everybody I know, people were thrilled to go back and see it. But is that an L.A. thing, or is that an around-the-country thing?
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I think there is a thirst for that, for people to go re-experience what something could have felt like 15 years ago when it came out.
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Yeah. Because it's something you can't recreate. I mean, I don't know about really old movies, but movies like of the 2000s that kids who are 20 years old now wish they could have seen, I think that works.
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That's a good category. What's like the worst movie audience you'd want to be with? Exactly.
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Worst movie to see with your parents or your in-laws? That's another good one. Oh, yeah. One night we were like in the last week, should we watch Enora? And I was like, no. Enora's in the top.
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But like any crime action-y thing will go to Scorsese, right?
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They almost have to be the same age, though. It's going to be hard to do.
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Yeah. Like Demi Moore's substance body at the end of the film.
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I almost think it needs to be two people. Cruise vs. Hanks is iconic because it's two.
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I just rewatched Alien last week. I have never seen Aliens. CR, any thoughts on Aliens?
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It's whoever makes the most sense. Cruise and Hanks are perfect equals.
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Pre-vaccine. Half the time you guys bring up a character's name from a movie, I have no idea what you're talking about. I can't believe how good you are remembering characters' names.
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Which Wilson was it? Was it Luke or Owen? Owen was in the movie. You were saying Luke. Yeah, see, I still can't get it right.
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Would you rather somebody correct you after the first mistake or kind of let it sit and tell you? No, I think it's funnier if I don't know. Okay. You're doing it for the game.
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I have to imagine for most movies that are great, it's like 16 to 22, right? I think it's end of high school, beginning of college.
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I mean, if there's movies about parenthood, maybe you want to be a parent first. But most movies, for super bad, you're never going to say 38 years old is the best time to say super bad. Yeah.
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There's also a humor to Cruz versus Hanks that I just don't know if it's there for Julia Roberts versus Sandra Bullock.
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It's kind of like the casting choice that took you out of the movie, which for me was, and we talked about this, my friends over the last few days, Stanley Tucci in Conclave. I'm like, Stanley.
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Yeah, you're like, I've been watching you make pasta in your home on YouTube for the last three years.
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You can overcast a movie. Not everybody needs to be someone. Lena Dunham in Once Upon a Time, you're like, okay, it's Lena Dunham.
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What about that Channing Tatum dog movie recently? Oh, the... Dog. Dog. Yeah.
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And Glorious Bastards, if he does the correct three, does... Yeah, do we easily win World War II?
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Davis Shaw. What's his kid's name in There Will Be Blood? H.W.? Yeah.
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That's how I felt when they started singing in Amelia Perez. I was like, wow, fourth and 18. We're going for it.
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Maybe there should be a fourth and a certain amount of yardage scale. For the Dan Campbell scale. Yes. It's like, was this a fourth and two or was it a fourth and 12?
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Yeah. But then there's some that it's like, it's a tush push. It's a lock. It's a guarantee.
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It was on some movies Reddit. There are definitely porn parodies for most popular movies. Do they still do those? I don't know.
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Or if I haven't seen the movie, you guys text me your five-word summaries before I watch it.
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We got Pump Up the Volume back on streaming. The only one that was tough, I actually got a text from a friend of a friend who is a diehard Rewatchables fan, and they watch every movie that we cover, and she was asking how she could find The Vanishing. It's gone? You can't find it. The American Vanishing is gone? The American Vanishing is impossible to find. You can't stream it anywhere.
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It's also mostly, it's about a middle-aged man. I mean, there's not a POV.
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Okay. How old is Rainier supposed to be? Yeah. Well, because it's 1977, he looks like he's 45.
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Had that in a category later.
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Kind of surprised Ronnie didn't pop a couple menthols, but we'll get into it.
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Watching a lot of tape. Watching a lot of highlight mixtapes on YouTube right now. Close Encounters, the third kind.
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Yeah. We've got some intel on that.
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Yeah, I found an interview with Schrader. This is going to go in internet research, but I guess technically it's a newspaper. Schrader said Stephen wanted to make a film about a common man. That was my argument with him. Who the fuck wants to see that? This is supposed to be the greatest event in the history of the Earth. At least make the character equal to the event.
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But Steve felt audiences wanted to see movies about ordinary people. Shakespeare's audiences wanted to see Macbeth. They didn't pay to see a play about a porter, but Steve wanted to make a movie about the porter, a guy who would go off to Mars and start a chain of McDonald's.
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It's available online.
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I think everything you need to know about him is that he seems incredibly frustrated as he is sitting in a cramped living room with three children and his wife. Well, the lesson really is don't have three kids.
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Well, this is the Old Testament of that then.
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Yeah, I think that The crucial thing that he said is that he would not have made the same movie if he had had children, which I'm sure we're going to talk about a lot about Roy's decision making throughout this movie. Have a couple spots. But that is like one of the most important things that he brings up. So it's like, yeah, I think you're right.
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He's making a lot of these films relating to his parents, but he's also making a lot of these films with his own kind of self-perception as a parent.
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Isn't this fucking crazy that the two biggest movies of this year and two of the biggest movies of the last 40, 50 years are Star Wars and Close Encounters and both directors are like, this was just the version that I was ready, that was ready at the time when I had to turn this thing in.
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That's why you do the redraftables.
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Yeah, Roy could get fucking vaporized the second he steps on that ship.
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Say, oh, like I, now that.
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Now that I've had 10 more years of LeBron, I want to say this, you know. Set aside your fingers don't work.
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The only thing... Can you imagine if Jabba was in Close Encounters? Isn't R2 underneath the spaceship?
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I think 11.30 p.m. bad Mike Joe House would have done a great job.
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I was just going to say that just as far as the tinkering. Obviously, we'll get to the part where eight different writers worked on this movie and tried to help him with it. And clearly, he was relying on collaborators. But I do get the feeling as he would wake up and be like, hey, I wrote something last night. And so while we're here, let's shoot this and let's go try this.
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I wonder if the nature of the way he made the movie led to him wanting to kind of endlessly tinker on it. Because it was never, this is Tony Kushner's script and we are going to nail it. Right. This is David Koepp's script and we are just going to honor it.
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Julia Phillips put that in a very colorful way.
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She was one of the producers, her and her husband, Michael, right?
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Dude, this might be one of the best directed movies I've ever seen. Is there a bad shot in this movie? You could freeze frame any single thing from this film, and it's a painting, but it's Spielberg kind of at His tools have matured by this point after Jaws. But he's still 29?
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1977.
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Best Year.
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Him being a more nebbish Dustin Hoffman is an incredible... Well, it starts with American Graffiti, which I should have mentioned.
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A lot of the guys who I would be like, oh, maybe it would have been this person, they just get made into superheroes and eat three times their body weight and protein to look better. But Tobey Maguire has a little bit of Dreyfus-ish personality. Right.
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Yeah, but he's got so much energy and all of the things he's trying and all the things he's doing and even the stories about the way he made it, which almost sounds more like the way sometimes Scorsese makes movies where it's like, we're going to try this, we're going to try that, we're going to try this. I wrote something the night before. Or Coppola. It has that energy.
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I think... I love how it's an initiative. You gotta go kill a guy.
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It has that pure, auteurist energy, which I know he obviously is one, but often relies on screenwriters to contribute to the story and stuff like that. This really feels something different in his catalog.
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It's not a kid popcorn movie. It's like asking really deep questions and it's going places that few films go.
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Truffaut month? Should we do Truffaut? Yeah. That'd be great.
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Yeah. 400 Blows? Yeah.
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It worked. Yeah. He's always like, I don't really act. Like, I just do my thing.
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And he was like, perfect. He's also like, I don't speak English.
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What a year for this guy. Talk about best year. He sure did. Talk about best year. Close encounters in Star Wars in the same year. Did the score.
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Yeah, like there's certain things where I'm like, did you build this entire film around the people in the Indian, like the Indians pointing at the sky? Like, does the film itself like explodes when that happens? But I'm like, did you have that in your head when you were writing it? Did you know you were going to get that image?
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Did he do the score for Death Wish as well? I don't think they asked him. Yeah, Herbie Hancock did it. That'd be great if his pseudonym was Herbie Hancock. When I like to do a little jazz over some vigilante killings.
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Do you think this is Spielberg's greatest achievement?
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You're absolutely right. I think that there are better movies that he's made. I think visually this is as virtuistic as it gets. There are things in this movie, and I know a lot of that could be Zygmunt, and it could be the different people working in special effects. The totality of the visual achievement for me is the best he gets.
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Are there any haters out there on this movie? I'm going to get to that. Okay.
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Like the Roy baking the mashed potato mountain kind of period.
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We just did it on Star Wars where we're like, there's a lot of droids in the first 30 minutes of this movie. I'll say this. I kind of agree with him about Close Encounters where it's like, oh, okay, that 15 to 20 minutes of Roy losing it is slow enough
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But there are, even in those sequences, moments visually where you're like with Roy on the phone with Ronnie and the fucking tower is on the TV and the tower is on his table and you're like, turn, turn, turn. And you realize like the way he has blocked it, the way he's framed it is literally taking over your brain because you're like, he just has to look at the TV.
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Just look at the TV before it's too late. Look at the TV. And you're like, oh my God, that's just like a really small domestic scene and he's still at the top of his game doing it.
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This was her first time?
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Yeah.
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Might be the longest great shot Gordo I've ever like compiled. And I don't know if I've ever seen it look this good. Like I might have actually been watching Close Encounters like 10 times or less.
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But there's like 40 of those. Yeah. Roy and Jillian meeting as all the people are swarming by them.
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Or when they climb over the mound. Yeah. And the camera goes up with them and then shoots up to...
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Negative.
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Negative.
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He does something where he, the main air traffic controller is talking and talking to the pilots. And as he pulls out, Another guy and then another guy keeps putting their face in the frame and saying something different about what could be happening. He's like, oh, is this military running like rocket launches like over there? And like, do we have some private plane doing it?
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And then it's just it's just such masterful filmmaking. And you subconsciously retain all this information about a situation that ultimately doesn't really matter.
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A word for the exact moment where the movie goes up a notch. It's also the Fortune 3 clap for the most gif-able moment of him being taken up by the light. The flashlight mistake still hits. I used that in my mind when Sixers got the third pick.
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Do you want to weigh in on vigilante justice while we have you here? I believe in it. I believe it's the right course of action.
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I asked Sean if he was going to bring Jason Tatum up and he was like, no, I don't think so. And I was like, I definitely am.
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Now they're just CGI all the time. It's the directing version of the Rick Dalton Award. It's like, holy shit, dude. Every shot, every camera movement, the fingers, the crowd.
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Oh, it's like if you have Ocean's Eleven, you got to have the Cirque du Soleil guy.
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Do you lock the dog door at night?
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They live in the Bay Area. And there are a lot of tall thieves there, so they can't get into the door.
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Let's stage a robbery to see what they were doing.
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We could do that.
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And it's also good because it's one of the few times in the film that I think Roy is like, I don't want to be like this. Yeah. But I don't want to see this is the line he has.
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I don't know why he's so good at them. It's like the pouring the wine, the wine scene in Jaws. Like when they're sitting around the table.
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What's the most rewatchable? I'm probably going to go Roy's Close Encounter. The truck. Railroad Crossing. Yeah, me too.
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Or do you feel like kids were like, what the fuck happened here?
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I had kind of a funny one for this that I hadn't heard to me before, but the most 1977 thing about this movie is that World War II is only 30 years prior. Right. So they're all like, these guys disappeared in 1945. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, well, that's actually just that's younger than this movie is to us. Right. You know, that's more recent than this movie is to us. So what'd you have?
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Speaking French. That would actually probably be Aaron Rodgers' favorite episode of McAfee is these two guys just being like.
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That's so confusing. That kid better become Barry Morgan.
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Oh, it's back? Yeah. Right, Craig? Whole milk is back? That's right. Okay. When's the last time you took down a glass of whole milk?
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Here we are. There it is. So wait, do you do like oat milk and cereal now?
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He and I did. Did you see they're trying to ban Apple Jacks? Or they're trying to say it's not healthy. The woke mob came for Apple Jacks? No, man. The Maha crew was just like, oh, we can't call this part of your healthy breakfast anymore. Who's calling Apple Jacks part of your healthy breakfast? Apple Jacks. When they do, like, Saturday morning cartoon ads.
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They're like, if you eat a bunch of broccoli, Frosted Flakes is technically part of your filthy breakfast.
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think we've had a lot of evidence the last few years you don't believe it uh i kind of stand with the guy from the news network in the meet in the air force meeting where it's like if it's happening so much like why don't we have like really i think that's a problem we do have video now though do we do we
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I love Apple Jacks and fucking UFOs too nice.
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Okay, so you're just like, it's out there, they're out there. Area 51, they were constantly flying around. Yeah. Okay. I think so.
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Well, there's a line in this movie where it's like Einstein was probably an alien.
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There's a lot of really cool recurring images when you rewatch the film of Roy looking at maps, Roy stuck at a crossroads, very reflective of the characters' inner life, but without explicitly saying, this guy's at a crossroads, he doesn't know where he's going. Like the end of Castaway? Yeah, and then there's a lot of really awesome imagery of...
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Roy is always like going against a crowd, like a crowd is running towards him and he's like, I have to go through this to get to the other side. So just really always being conscientious of like reflecting character with that. And, uh,
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god man jillian roy really got something you know that like desperation that that we went through something it's not romantic i know but it's like when they see each other like on the lookout like the the next day they're just like fuck only the two of us understand this i think they could have gotten at it get it i guess he gets a little tension over melinda dylan has something special yeah she just does i had her in what stage the best she's just got gear for her something special
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my last message the best is when a guy in mission control figures everything out before everyone else he's just like excuse me wait it's longitude I feel like that happens in any mission control situation like one dude just sort of sees the whole chessboard what do you have Sean
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The movie is way more optimistic and romantic about the otherworldly, the extraterrestrial, than it is about the human. I think it's actually a pretty cynical movie about humanity in a lot of ways, but about the wonders that could be above us and out there. It's incredibly wide-eyed and affirmative. Did you get that?
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Incredibly creepy to welcoming. Yeah.
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Huge Gene Siskel year.
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Fever came out this year. I would say that the last thing I had for what's aged the best is the pop culture durability of small town suburban America. And so like basically from this movie, 3T through Goonies, all the way through Stranger Things, people have returned to this as the setting for something amazing is happening here. You know, something adventurous is happening here.
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You're always talking about the dog door.
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I was going to say, do we have giant globes anymore? I think mostly for ornamental purposes.
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It's $2,500. That was actually my book about metals. I love that moment. They're like, it's a $2,500 globe. What are you guys doing?
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Yeah, but she's trying to keep order on the chaos there.
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I don't know. Do you think it's because we realized we could sell sports team merch?
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Do you remember when the first time you had a Red Sox thing was?
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But that had to be an entire uniform. Do you remember the first t-shirt you got?
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I think you might be right. I'm sure people will be like, hell, you're a fucking idiot. But I feel like the first time... Was when they had the NBA hats with the cursive font.
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Michael Kahn's 94 years old.
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And Spielberg said this is like, this is the hardest one to edit, right? Yeah.
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She sort of is the mayor of Apex Mountain for mashed potatoes.
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Okay, we've talked about a couple of these.
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There are no bad shots. Barry's abduction, I think, and the red light coming through the doorway is incredible. Looks at the pits of hell. I mentioned Roy and Jillian in the crowd. I think that might be my favorite. I think Roy and Jillian meeting and coming together and embracing as all those people, the waves of people are getting on and off the train. Indy is really good. Yeah.
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I'd like to throw that in there as well.
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I thought it might be interesting to mention just here that Spielberg said he wanted the movie to feel like When You Wish Upon a Star. Yeah, but then it kept getting cut out.
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But I think that that's worth mentioning. It's not necessarily a needle drop, but it is obviously a huge influence.
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I like the major wild Bill Walsh, the guy who's just like, I got to gas these people if you don't get them off the mountain.
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It's tough because it's basically... I just got to talk about the smoking because there's just... Ronnie would be the Chris Ryan Award winner if the main character... I mean, it's not the main character, but if Ronnie... is just slamming Winston's the entire time. I think she just becomes that much more relatable, the Terry Garr character. It's upsetting that either of them could have smoked.
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That might be, like, a little bit cute to say it that way. But I think that, like, ultimately, like, it's more just that, like, you associate with Spielberg an almost saccharine view of, like, the family unit or something like that, and that everything is sort of rooted in the relationship between children and parents. And I think that it's a little bit...
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Some Virginia Slims, whatever they may be. Does Spielberg have many smokers in his movie outside of Saving Private Ryan?
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Yeah.
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Ashen through the dog door.
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Yeah, Joseph Sommer as Larry Butler. Yeah. I feel like we could have done a little better. I had that too. You know. He's like, I'm from LA. Yeah. And he gets put to sleep. I wanted like a little, for a movie that's so realized.
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I'll save my comments for a hottest take. Okay, okay.
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And I think it's worth you pointing out that he's 33. It's like life just got away from me here. Yeah.
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outside of that like even though there are obvious elements that he would continue to refer to over the course of his career it just feels like a different group of people than i find in most spielberg movies to me yeah well there's also no villain yeah even at has villains i don't know if there's a villain in this movie i don't think there is he he said that he wished he could have made this before jaws in part because he was inspired by watergate that the idea of like a mass government cover-up
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You know that Drake's ever just like, God damn, I didn't play the field at all. I thought he was a left tackle, but he was a guard.
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I think probably. I kind of like it.
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I wonder if it's this is literally what has you're zagging is we've kind of done so much cool shit with aliens throughout cinema history like would you put this in the top 10 aliens you've seen on screen that's 1977 though what are they gonna do Scott makes the xenomorph like a year later you're getting 5th grade girls you're getting 50 of them from some town and putting an alien costume on them and you're calling it a day 15 years later we get Natasha Henstridge you know what I mean you've made great advances in alien interest yeah
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Is that the one where Josh Brolin and Benicio Del Toro are raiding the southern border? I don't think that's it.
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Instead of letting the QB algorithm dictate it.
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I had Balaban when he's just like, explain what's going on, like in the desert.
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It's a complete anal probe. Why? Is Ronnie with a greater Muncie realtor in a week or less? Yeah. She probably has to clean out the living room. This is Jack. He has a Cadillac.
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Roy gets a lot of heat for abandoning his family. Yeah. Who I think you could make a case abandon him in some ways earlier in the film. I like it. If I had the chance to be one of the first human beings to have meaningful contact with an extraterrestrial life form race, I'm hitting the fucking transfer portal. Goodbye, family. Anyone can have a family. I get to go to Mars or wherever.
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That's incredible.
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Well, I think what it is is that there's no other choice for him by this point. This has clearly become an obsession that he's willing to throw his family away for.
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Yeah, I know.
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Yeah. I think that it's just, like, it's not a choice at all. Like, families are great and everything, but, like, if you got to be, like, the first person to meet aliens, you could start another family.
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What are the Avatar sequels called? I wish you had prepped us for this.
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Everything, Fellowship of the Ring.
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Yeah. I mean, go through your... Den of Thieves 2, Pantera. No.
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You sure?
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Borat's funnier than Close Encounters. I agree. I agree. No debate there.
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You said you didn't have enough time to prep. Look at this.
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It was just like, and the whole thing that the government's doing to the people around devil's tower is like putting them to sleep. Like, it's like, they're very, it's like, yeah.
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I know he's cool, but how cool is he? Hey, Ali, I know I left a couple of voicemails. You know, no big deal. Call me back.
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Such a different movie if he's in it.
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He makes more sense for the Paul Schrader version of it where it's like a little bit more of an action.
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Yeah, there's some great stories about Dreyfuss like sticking his head into Spielberg's office and being like, I heard Nicholson's crazy.
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You don't want him.
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I think he would have been a little bit more intimidating as a disaffected father, though. Like him getting mad at the family and throwing shit through the window to build the Devil's Tower mud monument. Well, him coming out of Rollerball and doing this, I don't know how you shut off Rollerball.
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She would have been a cool Ronnie. She would have been a cool Jillian.
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You know, Cary went on to work for Merrill Lynch and be like a finance guy. Yeah, he's your guy, right?
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Well, you're missing the farmer who saw Bigfoot is the snow shovel guy from Home Alone. Yeah, Robert's Blossom. That's your answer. Henriksen is also in this?
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I think he should have been dressed like Apollo Creed, but that would have been good.
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1987.
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1997.
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Nick Cage could work. That would have been good.
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97.
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77.
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Star Wars and this. I have him coming up later.
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This was the spaceship they built, like the sound stages in Alabama for this one?
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It's a weird one. Do you think this movie is like better or worse if it's like...
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And then in Fablemans, he has David Lynch playing John Ford talking about the importance of where you set the horizon in a frame. And if you watch Close Encounters with that in mind, you can totally see it.
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So everybody but Richard Dreyfuss and Francois Truffaut has a Topps card from Close Encounters? It's not even just Topps cards.
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I think so. I think what's Independence Day?
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I mean, it really could be. It really could be.
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Yeah, because this is specifically a UFO. Plus, it starts eight years. It's not like a spaceship.
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We're talking UFOs.
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Yeah. I mean, this movie to me also is like, I remember we were doing days of thunder. We were talking a little bit about it kind of, uh, ushering in the nineties, uh, and getting out of the eighties, but still having like eighties residue as it dove into the nineties. I feel that way about close encounters too.
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Do you... There's a lot of mashed potatoes, though, for five people. But that's how they used to get down in Muncie in the 70s, right?
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Any big basketball players from there?
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Bob Knight hadn't started the whole Bloomington talent factory.
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How about those red American track suits? Those are awesome. Those are going to be in my memorabilia. Could the Dream Team maybe break those back out? Oh, that's cool.
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You'll remember me! Do you think John McClane is a better or worse dad than Roy Neary? He seems like a pretty good dad. He puts himself in a lot of danger. But he's not his children. I mean, he could have said, you know what, if we lose Bedelia, I have to be there for my children. Roy Neary drove his family away.
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So did John McClane eventually.
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There's obviously a lot of seventies in this and there's a lot of the neuroses and stuff that was in the air in this movie, but there also is an element to where it's so predictive of, that it feels like it's 1983 in this movie, even though it's six years later.
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Yeah. And it's hard to imagine Cruz as like a guy working for the Muncie Power Department. That's right.
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Has he ever had like a normal job? Because even in Color of Money, he's still like a fucking incredible pool player. Bartender in Jamaica? He's the best bartender of all time. Or the second best, depending on who you ask. I have him, number one.
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Even in the raise yourself keyhole era.
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This is like, I have a red light. Shit is coming through the vents.
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I wouldn't know. I'd just be watching Dylan Harper tape. You know?
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She's not even that freaked out the first time he goes outside, though. She's freaked out in the kitchen, though. And Melinda Dillon even says that she's freaked out. She's like, Barry, where are you going? She's kind of like, Barry, what are you doing?
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I think that there is a real untapped sequel potential of something that happened to Barry. Oh, I have that in Unanswerables. Barry the Omen?
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Barry Omen versus Damien Omen.
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Why?
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You blaspheme John Williams. You get sleep gassed.
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I'd be like, where am I? What year is this? What do you think hits those guys first is like the craziest thing? Baseball's integrated?
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What?
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47.
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48.
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What if they got off and they were really scared of Barry?
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You know, the conspiracy being for the greater good and, like, how nice everybody involved in the military and the science community are. It's more of, like, an age of the worst, probably, but it's a very warm version of we're really trying to look out for everybody's best interests here.
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The subconscious is a very powerful thing, man.
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Did he say that before or after Fableman's? Before, yeah.
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Even having a televised meeting with the people who feel like they've been banished or had experiences and just feeling, you guys, your concerns are really valid. I wish I could tell you something else.
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Yeah.
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I love it. Spielberg turned into you. No, I'm fucking never doing it. Fuck this.
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Didn't you have somebody in addition you wanted to add or no?
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Sure. I can do Doris Burke talking about Roy's oldest son. Yeah. We see you, Brad. You may not be able to solve fractions, but now you're going to have to solve being the man of the house. Your crybaby father has chosen a life of the unknown out in outer space instead of taking you to Pinocchio. So go. Get ready to learn drywall, buddy.
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Wouldn't it be Mr. Brad? Mr. Brad. Did you think that RJ and DB were doing kind of in New York's pocket for that game? What? Kind of. You didn't think so? Oh my god. They were like, oh, this is another really tough foul.
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I just rolled the grenade in there and walked out.
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Non-partisan observer, I'm just saying.
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Way to go in your Brian Edo bag.
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She goes down to her local Devil's Tower. What does she find, Mitch? Yeah. Did I say Devil's Island? You did, but that's Devil's Tower. Maybe that could be the sequel. Close Encounters 4, Devil's Island. Just want to ask her who gets it, Steve. I wrote John Williams. Honestly, also, maybe Vilmos, the cinematographer.
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But he... He did get it. He did have a little bit of assistance on this one, didn't he?
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What do Ronnie and the family think when they come home and see what Roy's done to the house? And she gets back from her sister's. She's like, I have this ranch house.
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Why does Roy, like, what is the reason for Roy getting fired?
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Well, or is he speeding around in his truck and like too much, too much reckless driving? Because I feel like a lot of people in Muncie are like probably the bar is pretty low to keep your job. So like, why would you get fired the next day?
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I guess a lot of things happen... What is it? They're basically urgent. You wonder whether or not Roy is being put in position to follow this link to get out to Devil's Tower.
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You can't say it wasn't the case. That would be great if she gets back from Devil's Tower. Paul Newman's waiting for her in a leather overcoat.
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I have a weird memorabilia question because I have to say that just the one shot of the McDonald's, I had the urge. I was like, should I go get a fucking Big Mac right now?
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Yes.
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But I didn't go. And I do want to know, memorabilia-wise, is a 1977 McDonald's burger taste much different than a 2025 McDonald's burger?
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It's a leap of faith, you know?
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It's heaven when he gets to the top of Devil's Tower?
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You Hanrahan's wife? Love Slapshake.
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I had Asteroid City, which is a Wes Anderson movie from a few years ago about alien visitation, but also very melancholy about family.
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That would probably be tough for J.J. who made Super 8 and is basically like trying to make Close Encounters.
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Yeah. Craig? Wait, what was that? War of the Worlds compared to this movie? But do you like War of the Worlds? It's fine. Okay. I think it's good. I think it's very good. But I don't think it's as good as Close Encounters.
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Like, you're never going to pick this one first. I wonder whether... But this has had, like, a sort of cinematic studies revival. Like, it's a big Letterboxd movie. It's a big, like, people are like, this is top three Spielberg.
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All right. You did a great job. Close Encounters. Did a great job what? Just on the spot. You were like, I'm nervous. I wanted more time in the oven. I felt like we needed more time, much like Spielberg making the movie.
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Yeah, there's a Dreyfus quote that's on one of the posters for Close Encounters. I think it might have even been a press release announcing its production or something like that. With the quote, can I snort that out?
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hard straight surface there was a quote about how Steven Spielberg is basically able to balance the big picture and be able to be like I can tell this huge story for as many people as possible to enjoy but also is like super concerned with the detail of every shot and you can feel that in this movie you can feel that in all of his films but especially his best ones where
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it's the like thing that's all the way in the back of the frame that on the fifth time you watch it you're like he did not fucking do that did he that's in there but when you're just watching it just to watch it at a drive-in it still works you know it's you don't have to have like um a key to understand this movie it can just play as this guy has an experience chases it all the way across the country gets in a fucking spaceship it's pretty cool or you can watch it and be like did Vilma Zygmunt do that like
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That's crazy.
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You don't think producer Craig's child will have an AI visor surgically implanted on the side of its head as it drinks Soylent?
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I don't know. I just never got there. How about you? I think when I was a kid, I probably was a little bit more dinosaurs and knights in armor. But these movies, no, yeah. You know how King Arthur died? Dinosaurs and knights.
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You see the backside of that T-Rex? Let me see. Raptor?
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‘Days of Thunder’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Kyle Brandt
He needs a brand name like Exxon and Richard Petty. Well, I know a damn race driver when I see one.
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‘Days of Thunder’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Kyle Brandt
I'm not getting back in my car. I'm getting in Rowdy's. Oh, well, that sounds just dumb enough to be a race driver. You think you'll hide from your bad luck in his car and what the hell for, for Rowdy? If he can run tomorrow, he cries you to win the race. He's mean. He's no particular friend. So why? Because he asked me to. Oh, shit. You just want to race again. Yeah. So do you.
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‘The Blues Brothers’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
There's a thing with SNL where, obviously, like, it's like, is it funny or, you know, like, what sketches you like, but... I think, and the movie Saturday Night tried to get at this. A lot of the discussion about SNL at this point has gotten at this where it's like, it's also this club you want to be a part of and like this cool club.
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So the idea of these guys being like, what we really like is 60s soul and blues. Right. And so we would like to like form the greatest bar band of all time and like we'll gig around and we'll warm up before, but like maybe you can find a spot for us here or here or here.
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that that actually is part of the SNL mission as much as like weekend update or maybe like the, you want to see like this weird, like cool club that you want to be a part of. Like it's that idea of New York city, that idea of like, yeah, they build a blues bar and then all of a sudden it becomes one of the hot places in New York.
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It's weird because it's neither funny nor the best version of this music. Right.
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Steve Propper and Duck Dunn are in the Booker T and the MGs. They're one of the great bands in American history.
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No, but I feel that way about, like, Trading Places.
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There's a griminess that I think works for... The cinema of John Landis is really appropriate for VHS.
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But I don't think there is a Ferris Bueller without Booze Brothers.
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Yeah, we should do, we should have like, Paul Thomas Anderson should appear as a clerk in more movies. I would love that.
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He had never read a script or written a script and wrote a 300... Yeah, the 300... It was like a Bible.
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And also, there's still an era where... You know, the people who wind up on television or in movies have had a life before that. And he's, like, got a bar in Toronto. And he, you know, is just obsessed with this music. And has all these, like... He's invested in all these cool things. Almost as, like, a public intellectual in some ways. But it's just translating it into the most absurd boxes.
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And then a bunch of Nazis were also there. Carrie Fisher had a missile launcher.
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Is this the closest you've ever been to cocaine? Because you famously were like, I've never been in a room with cocaine. Yeah.
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This is, why don't we have a private bar called like the war room, like the draft war room or something called the trade machine. Drugs and alcohol.
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So even back then, at 10, were you just obsessed with Belushi?
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Like a bar in the basement of this building at Spotify. They don't have to know. Daniel doesn't have to know. Daniel.
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Yeah, and like... It sounds like there was documentation of the fact that this was going out of control and that Belushi was kind of out of control, but not in the TMZ. We have this on Filmway. It was more of like urban legend. Did you hear Belushi closed down the old saloon last night?
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Kentucky Fried Movie, Animal House, Blues Brothers, Werewolf in London, Coming Soon, Trading Places, and then obviously Twilight Zone.
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It's a bummer that Craig's not here today. But it's one of those things where you're like, is what Landis does best? Is that what's aged the worst? Like, does anybody find 80 car pileups entertaining anymore in that way?
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90 other terrible things there are jokes in this movie or like things that happen in this movie that he was lampooning in Kentucky Fried Movie like a couple of years before but it's almost like no this is what happens when you give this guy yeah when you make a real movie like 30 million dollars yeah we're gonna take a break to the categories
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Just in case Aykroyd is like you.
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Hmm. I have 16. I think it's a great age because you would be just getting into maybe like other kinds of music outside of pop music. So you'd be interested in like soul music. And this is what it was case for me is like, that was right when, you know, like Otis Redding box set was coming out. The stack singles box that was coming out around then.
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And then you're also like, I like car crashes and I like watching things blow up.
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They were still like working musicians at that time.
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It's also so cool too because they're characters. So it's like there's the reverend, there's the waitress, there's the pawn shop guy. It's like they are being brought into the story rather than, hey, we just happened upon a James Brown concert.
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How much for the women?
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So I guess in Aykroyd's quote unquote script, there was eight individual plot lines for the recruitment of every member of the band. And it was like, this is probably not like a functional story.
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Because there was the Saturday Night Live part of it and then the Belushi thing was really interesting to read about this movie and read either contemporaneous pieces or pieces that were written just about its legacy.
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Yeah, but it probably would have been a lot more like just let Belushi cook in this venue.
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I know, and he's eating the wedge salad that they have. We're going to come back here for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
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And just to try to wrap your head around how big he was and what he meant to people and the practicality of his stardom because so much of his legend is like, and then Belushi closed the bar down. Which is a kind of celebrity thing that if people are doing that now, it's almost going to be a problem because they're going to get in so much trouble. But
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This has the best dancing, the best, like, this is the best musical number. Yeah.
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And the dancing in this scene is, I did not know or it didn't occur to me before, they just do this dancing during Twist and Shout and Ferris Bueller. Yes.
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Basically the same choreography and like all the jumping up and down and stuff. Yeah.
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What soul stars were like, what? I'm right here.
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She's just like, move him up.
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Andy and I were actually doing our Landman recaps.
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Exactly. They're just throwing beers at us.
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You know, Belushi was really literally like he was America's guest.
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Yeah. I have Shay Paul as the funniest scene in the movie and this is my favorite scene in the movie. So I don't know what's the most rewatchable.
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I have in the church with Ackroyd or whoever's like, and God bless the United States of America.
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I think probably the... Well, I have other ones, but I would... I have that the other executive who was the rival from Paramount who wanted this movie and didn't get it was Don Simpson. Oh, Jesus. Which I don't know if anyone lives through production if Don Simpson is running it.
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And the other one was being so famous you just decide you're a musician. Like, being so popular and so beloved that you're like, you know what we gotta do? Make an album.
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On a mission from God. Yeah.
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That's a great villain.
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Learned that from Spielberg. Yeah.
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Also, just like her bit of being like, I am learning advanced weaponry to kill this guy.
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We used to really make stuff here. That's a good trio.
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Were you able to kind of... Do you want me to do it now? Yeah.
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What's the Linda Carter centerfold going for on eBay?
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That certainly answers the piece of memorabilia you would want from this movie.
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Conducting meetings in saunas. Oh, yeah. The reveal that the entire band is in the sauna with them. And the way Belushi's like, how's Mrs. Slime? Yeah. I love that scene so much. And then, yeah, I had curl up and die. I had the making of the movie being better than the movie itself. Just stuff like that.
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Also, this is pretty basic, but this music, like the 60s R&B soul is arguably the best music America's ever produced. Never expires. And it's just like when you hear them.
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We should do a rewatchables for Phil Hartman sketches.
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When would I have died? I'm taking this from usually thriller and horror movies that we do. But one of the things you have to wrap your mind around when you're watching this film is just how many times you would have died. So I would have probably gone when Carrie Fisher detonated the SRO hotel and the entire room caves in.
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Or I would probably be shopping for worker furniture at Dixie Square Mall and got hit by an Oldsmobile. We're like, oh, we can just put this right outside. That's a nice piece.
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Yeah. When do they, do they ever sing a blues song?
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Well, and for the most part, they dance a bunch and do like speeches.
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Well, I was going to say, are we sure the Penguin was good at her job? It doesn't seem like a huge tax bill.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think that there's probably one too many antagonists. So my weak link is maybe we could have consolidated some of the various people chasing.
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Carrie Fisher and the cops. Yeah.
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Carrie Fisher, Nazi cop. Right. Yeah.
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What stage is the worst? You go. I have some. Manual steering. You usually see these guys fishtailing around a lot, and it makes you appreciate just a responsive steering wheel. I tried once when I was in high school, end of high school. I saw a 68 Mustang being sold out of a garage in Vermont. And I got my dad to let me try and test drive it because it was only like five grand.
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I'm sure it was an absolute lemon. But I got like 10 feet before I was just like, why isn't... I don't know how to... How do you get this thing to respond to anything? He's like, that's how cars used to be. You used to fucking turn it all the way to go like two feet to the left.
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What seems the worst is Howard Shore being like, you guys should be the Blues Brothers and then not being a part of this going forward.
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I gotta say, I don't know if I saw it.
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I mean, it's blasphemy to say it, but it's Aretha Franklin talking about blasphemy. Like her one hammer line. Oh, that's good. Yeah. I like that. Don't you blaspheme here.
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It was typical of a criteria orgasm. I was quaking.
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I think that Belushi's cocaine problem and Aykroyd's script probably led this production into disarray but I wonder whether this would have come in under budget if they just cut the Carrie Fisher plot which does not really have a whole lot to do with like anything. It's just like this chick chasing John Belushi for like one joke in a tunnel at the end.
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It's great and it actually does it basically serves as like a transition for each part of the film where she blows something up so that they can go off to do something else but yeah.
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But Carrie Fisher's dating Ackroyd at the time.
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For me personally, I think it would have been bad. I could barely handle Vegas.
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Yeah, can you imagine your draft diaries?
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Do anything for a joke. Yes.
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And then the idea with Twiggy is like, just, we're going to get Elwood love interest, right?
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Did you see Julia Fox made it onto the Charlie XCX? I did. It was her birthday.
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Seems kind of like, didn't you guys know what you were buying? You know, of all the things that I think went wrong, it's probably, it's in the title.
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That scene is so needlessly complicated by the whole union thing. Where it's like, have you paid your union dues? That whole layer to it.
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Spielberg in this?
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I have an Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles tie.
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I think Aretha and Ray Charles just deliver.
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As the waiter?
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This is actually my possibly unanswerable question is if Spielberg directs 1941 and goes right into Blues Brothers and Blues Brothers goes out of control, does he ever direct Raiders?
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The FAA is on cocaine.
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Well, also, every day, my favorite piece of research, and a lot of the behind-the-scenes stuff comes from this Vanity Fair article that was written about the making of the movie, but the chain of screaming that would happen every day when Lou Wasserman would wake up and find out what he spent the day before on Blues Brothers. And then he would call Ned Tannen and yell at him.
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And then Ned Tannen would call Sean Daniels and yell at him. And then they would call Landis and yell at him. And then finally, it would be like down to Ackroyd, who was responsible for getting Belushi to get to the set every day.
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That would be amazing. He basically like patches together his knee enough to hold up for the end of the film shoot.
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You guys came all the way out here. It's $2.
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Maybe he recognized a future takesman in you and he didn't want to take it away.
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I mean, I find the seatbelt thing distracting. But I think you're a pretty good driver.
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And he's a big hangs a U-turn in the middle of Wilshire guy.
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I think you're probably right. I do love the idea of him being both Apex Mountain. It's not only his movie stardom, but his city stardom.
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Is this Apex Mountain of a famous person in Chicago?
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Is it Michael Jordan?
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Is this Apex Mountain for getting your personal belongings back after leaving prison? For that scene? Yeah. The only other one that matches this is Rounders.
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When Worm gets his toothpick.
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Is it 48 Hours? I don't think he gets anything special back.
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And it's like, here you go. It's a pack of Marlboro legs. Your FanDuel account.
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It's either Ferris or Fugitive. Were you on the Thief rewatch?
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That was a pandemic era one.
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She gets a little bit marginalized to Empire, I think, right? It's more Luke's story. Yeah. Yes? I think Jedi is like her real, like, she chokes out Jabba, you know?
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Have you seen Return of the Jedi?
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It's definitely Apex for Pier 1, right?
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Yeah. Okay. Cocaine. I think cocaine's had some big moments. I think Scarface is honestly like the cocaine's apex mountain.
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What is Apex Mountain for Vengeful Ex-Girlfriends, just out of curiosity? Fatal attraction.
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Are we sure? No. It has to be Hank. Imagine Cruise being like, how much for the women?
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I like the idea of a younger Lopez as Carrie Fisher is pretty cool. Or Jennifer Coolidge as the Penguin.
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Did you skip calling her solo? Are you backing away from that idea?
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He's going to think it's because Durant got traded. Damn. oh for two at least hit us with a hey you've reached Ryan not here right now grinding tape because he was like you called right before yeah son of a what role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played in the movie the John Candy role that's what I had that as well yeah Burton Mercer
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I think that there's an even more coked out version of this where the 1980 Cubs come into play here. Is Ron Say on that team? What are we talking about?
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Who's on the 80 Bulls? He's just saying local Chicago players.
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It's more just like of a general comment, which this is a movie where if you subtract certain elements from it, there's no movie there. So if you took out the car chases and the music, this would be like a 42 minute movie, which is fine. I love this movie, but it's just a note that there's not really much of like a plot.
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It's called pickin' nits. Jesus.
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Also, Mac Guitar Murphy, as soon as he finds out Jake and Elwood are there, just leaves a live grill going. It's like, Jake, Elwood!
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Probably a lot of road closures because of all the car chases that have been happening. So just traffic was a bitch.
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Kind of uses him as a vehicle to get a lot of his ideas expressed, right? Because a lot of the stuff that's in Blues Brothers is directly from Aykroyd and Aykroyd's interests. And all the stuff of these are the musicians that we need to feature and the songs that need to be featured. I just cannot believe this worked.
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They're like two hours from Chicago. Yeah.
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That's how you lose 11 hours.
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I was thinking that it would be amazing if Daniel Plainview was the third Blues brother and introduced them at the Palace Hotel. It was like, we're so glad to see many of you lovely people here tonight, and we would especially like to welcome all the representatives of Illinois' law enforcement community that have chosen to join us here in the Palace Hotel ballroom.
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Oh, Mike, this is just a woman scorned with a heat-seeking missile launcher. You can get those from Gaddafi any way you want, man.
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Nobody can do what he can do. I was going to say Ackroyd for, not screenplay. For story? Yeah, for inspiration.
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That should be a rewatchables category. Does cocaine make this movie make more sense?
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I don't think I've ever seen Tribute. Otherwise, I don't know if Belushi's getting in that one.
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It's kind of in Indiana.
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I think so. Because it doesn't take long to get from Chicago to Indiana. Then once you're in Indiana, you can get to some country bunkers pretty fast.
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That's like only when Scorsese gets to Last Temptation of Christ. Right. He's got Judas Doolittle.
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The handkerchief? He's doing like formaldehyde or like he's doing he's doing like he's doing like uppers or something. Sniffers.
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Coming out on Blu-ray soon.
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Not you, but you're going to wait until it's $35. I'll wait.
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Cocaine Bill buying full-price DVDs. That's a documentary I would watch.
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You're going to have Lebowski and you're like, I've never seen it.
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How bad do these guys smell?
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There's not a shower in sight. He gets out a Juliet. He's wearing the same clothes he wore going in. The guys at Shea, the family at Shea Paul is like, they smell. We want them moved. In 1980, can you imagine how bad, when you start smoking sections in restaurants, how bad somebody has to smell to ask them to move? I think it's... In sewers?
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In the Westerns, it's like there's no indoor plumbing. So you have to imagine anywhere where there are people, it's pretty bad.
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Yeah. That's how you are. But that was supposed to be like a kink. He's like, don't even bother getting clean for me because I'm about to kick Russia's ass and they didn't come home.
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Like, is there a... Oh, it's like Captain Willard maybe going to see the good old boys when he gets back from... Yeah.
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so this is the question I was curious about this as well as do you think that he keeps making reliably like blockbuster comedies or do you think he starts really pushing pushing out his boat to do drama and stuff
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I had one more unanswerable, but just also just curious about... Do you think this is the reason why, like, Lorne became more hands-on with people's adaptations of SNL stuff? Because he wasn't really a part of this, right?
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Yeah, especially not if she's got an inroad to Gaddafi.
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Bertolucci's The Leopard? Old Girlfriends? Continental Defy?
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Oh yeah, Ralph Macchio.
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My double feature would be The Commitments. Oh, that's good. Yeah. That's a group of Irish kids who started a 60s soul band.
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You can find that on the, what is it? Ringer-TV YouTube channel. And you can also find it on The Watch.
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What was he going to play in Ghostbusters?
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I just watched it randomly last year and I was like, this movie is sick. I watched it on a plane the other month. I was like, this movie is perfect.
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It's Luca and a Miller Lite.
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Well, I think because he's obviously become, he is something of a huge SNL fan, he'll at least respect it. but I think he might find it a little bit dull.
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It's time for the Zag King to put all his money on Carla Sofia.
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You think it's going to be helped by preferential, was it preferred choice, preferential choice voting? Yeah.
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And that's the thing that kind of jumps out is like everything about this movie is 1970s, but the bloat is pure 80s. Like the excess.
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We're talking a lot about modern medicine. Oh, exciting. Because of the pit. Yeah, sure. Doc?
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It's a little bit of a cheat, but All That Jazz. Oh, that's a good one. More about choreography than it is about music, but it has a lot of musical numbers.
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Yes, and also about drugs.
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I have not fired up Doc yet. That's a little gift to myself.
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Some stars are inconceivable. You can't really imagine being around them. Like Julia Roberts for something like that. where you're like, I would never see this person in any place that I would ever go. They exist on another plane of existence. And Belushi is like the Olympian of the funniest guy in every bar in America.
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And the fact that, tragically, I guess, but he truly was like a man of the people. It's a kind of stardom that I just don't think we have that much anymore, where it's this idea that people would have like, oh, I was out... One of them at 30 in the morning. And John Belushi came in with like 15 people and they took over the jukebox and they bought the entire round for the entire house.
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And I just... I think that that has something to do with his charm.
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I mean, he's dancing, but... It's almost more... Will Ferrell's more applicable because it's the idea of playing something deadly serious that's so absurd. Yes. But he's not pratfalling.
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Yeah, you wonder what his aspirations were. You know what I mean?
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Like, could he have played, he couldn't have done Raging Bull, maybe. But, like, you could see him playing, like, a boxer. You could see him playing...
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What's up, everybody? Chris Vernon here, and welcome to a new season of the NBA and the mismatch. And huge welcome as well to my new co-host, Dave Jacoby.
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He looks like a guy from the 1970s. Like, they stopped making dudes looking like that in 1986.
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What you mean? We need to find the guy who's done both and make him president. Oh, exactly.
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I think that Pedro Pascal, maybe. Wagner Mora, maybe. You're looking at me because you're just like, there's only one big dick.
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He looks like he played for the Chargers.
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Eating steak unadorned on a paper plate.
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By himself.
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Honestly, Van, I rarely do this with you, but disagree. All scenes that we see with these guys, they're like, do you want to lift? Like, let's... Yeah. But look... That's all they do.
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But the one time that these guys crack up is when they're threatening to put a teenager in a wheelchair. Yeah. All other times, including at Benihana before Nick gets there, they're just like... Yeah. They are hard as fucking nails. Like, they don't, like... There's no laughter. There's only robbery.
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I don't appreciate you popping off like this, bro.
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Yeah. I mean, I think that... How many films could you name in the last three years that did something like this? You know what I mean? Since COVID, I think it's been a real drought where we're not really seeing films that are getting a second life, a second legs.
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And people have talked about this, where it's like the home DVD market, everything about it has kind of killed the idea of films having a second life. But this film did well in the box office, and then I think it just became huge.
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Yeah, I...
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I think he also would have seen that there was like, it harkened back to like French Connection. It harkens back to classic cop movies from the 70s.
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Yeah. You have a very popular genre of social media video called your walk and talks. 3 a.m.
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I want to see 3 a.m.
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Donut Run walk and talk? Bill walking down Wilshire? Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
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That's the first hint that this is going to be a very twisty movie. He's looking in the truck like that.
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Is there an FBI agent I can call Lob and Bob?
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We'll see how long I can keep the jacket on. It might get hot up here, but I want to rock it. Yeah, it could get hot after a little bit. The official Den of Thieves Pantera jacket.
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Who's playing well, who we loved, who we loathed, trade rumors, team dysfunction. We've got you covered right here. So follow us, subscribe, and hit us with those five-star ratings on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.
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It's like you're doing in-game parlays.
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Oh, well, that might be on Wikipedia. I have no idea. Is that on Wikipedia, though? I think the idea is that Donnie is actually the fount of information. He's the one who's like, here are all the bar napkins. Here's all the information.
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It's an incredibly high degree of difficulty. These guys are so... heavy hitters, like, they could just straight up rob a bank. You know, like, they're like, we need to rob this specific cash before it goes into a shredder.
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Last night, my wife and I were chatting about where we could get a last dinner before she takes off for the holidays. And I did Google directions for Benihana in Torrance. It was not a convenient drive. But I think about this a lot. And I don't know why we haven't done a group dinner at Benihana yet.
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Is this officially Benihana?
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And are there Benihana rip-off restaurants?
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Yes. At the end of Den of Thieves 1, it's alluded to the idea that there's more to this story and that it'll take place across the Atlantic.
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Yeah, free safety linebacker.
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He's kind of the guy. Nobody's fucking following Ray in a huddle. He's just like, just do what I tell you to do. Yeah. Heads and limbs.
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That's not Joe Bruce. What about Big Nick? What position did Big Nick play? What? Oh, he was linebacker, wasn't he?
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Can I just say, I did more research on Long Beach Poly versus South Torrance than any other thing I've ever podcasted about. And it rivals only trying to figure out what Lakers game they're talking about in Die Hard when Theo comes into the lobby of the Nakatomi Plaza. But it's really weird that Nick is popping so much shit about South Torrance.
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And Long Beach Poly, I think, definitively has a better program. Dominant. Yeah. And Deshaun Jackson went to Long Beach Poly.
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Dominant. And Nick's just like, we whipped your ass. I'm like, when? When did that happen?
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It's like the blue tent in football, but it's the murder tent. The body disposal area. Yeah. They've got the Samoan dude with the big bucket ready to go. Yeah.
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There's the South African dudes in Lethal Weapon 2 have the plastic on the floor. Plastic on the floor is bad.
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There's a feeling that these guys are going to get in a shootout from the second they even acknowledge one another.
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My favorite Savings and Loan on Pico.
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Beef and broccoli can smell pretty off like in two hours in the fridge.
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Three days in an air duct. Yeah.
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I'll go a step further. From the second that Big Nick leaves the playground crying and everybody starts putting vests on, it's an hour and six minutes of perfect cinema. Because it's just, because it's like, it's basically, it's the savings and loan robbery, the actual heist of the Fed and the shootout in the corridor. And it takes a very long time and it is incredible. And then it's the CODA.
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Benihana is my heart. My head says the final shootout on the corridor. It's just an amazing piece of filmmaking.
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This is really important. I had this in What's Aged the Best, though.
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He's drinking his drinks. He's talking like that. It's also perfect because both those guys are wearing, like, I golfed earlier shoes.
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And the one dude is just like, ah, Nick, I was going to call you. I was going to see if you wanted to get dinner. And it's like bullshit.
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I think in 2018, I assure you in 2018, they were not.
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The secondary life thing.
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Did he steal your CR?
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And the crucial part is whenever it happens midway through the movie when Merriman knows, after Benihana, and they're like, okay, Donnie's compromised. Part of you is the first time through, like, okay, you guys are the hitters. Like, cut him loose. Like, what do you need the driver for? You can get another driver.
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But when you go back knowing the entire plan was Donnie's, that's why Merriman was compromising and being like, all right, I guess I'm going to keep this guy around because he is the key to the castle.
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Were you in gossip as a bartender?
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Maybe that's the most 2018 thing. Because in 24, they would probably be looking at their phones. But here, they're just still staring at each other.
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I mean, they're just a perfect accoutrement for this character. They're leathery the way the character is leathery.
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Don't get ahead of yourself on memorabilia, but yeah.
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It should be the final job interview to get hired at the ringers.
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yeah I have when cops print out a bunch of shit that they could easily just look at on a computer screen just to be able to hold it up and say what happened to you I also really love opening your movie with a huge crime that you have to top Heat does this Dark Knight does this Sicario and Drive and the Matrix when you have like a set piece at the beginning and you're like the bar is already up here and then you top it it's incredible
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FBI vegan cooks play tennis.
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I think that the opening text is so needlessly hard. It's so cool. It's up there with Not to Jump on Apex Mountain. It's the opening text about bank robberies versus the, in Mexico, Sicario means hitman. Those are the two greatest title cards I've ever seen.
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You know what somebody who's got skills should do is redo the Star Wars scroll, but with the text from Den of Thieves. Scrolling up across the galaxy is like the bank robbery capital of the world.
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I think what happens is I'll send you the text. I'll be like, have you seen Den of Thieves? I'm going to get around to it. Then if I see you in person, I pull you aside. I put my hand on your shoulder and I say, hey, have you seen Den of Thieves? And you're like, I'm going to do it this weekend. And then 10 days later, I get a text that says, huh, Den of Thieves. On watch number three in 10 days.
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What would you have, though? I have Pablo getting up from his rice. Don't appreciate you popping off, bro. Don't appreciate you popping off here, bro. We got family.
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Wait, can I throw out some runners up for Denif?
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I would say Ziggy's Off Brow and the menswear store. Oh, the donut shop.
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There's not a lot of songs.
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Bloody Donuts and Deb's new man's house dinner. Oh, eating the food?
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What's that?
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Anything? No, I don't have a weak link. I have a Vincent Chase, which is offset.
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And the thing about this movie is it essentially has these three chunks, right? It's got everything up until Merriman is like, we're cop killers now. And you're like, holy shit. And then it's got the middle part where you're like, this is amazing. I want this to go on for five hours.
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There is something in my head called the Ray Merriman cut. where you just end it when he's like, when Ray and Laveau have died, you know, like. Oh, that's it. And it's basically like this ends like heat, basically, where these guys have had this confrontation and he, you know, he's like, I didn't bring my cuffs today. You know, it's like that there is a way to end it that way.
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But the Donnie stuff then unlocks everything that happens afterwards, you know.
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First time through, I was like, damn, LA. And then there's one shot outside of Nick's.
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If you get to have a scene where you're wasted and a scene when you're brutally hungover, you're going to win.
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Yeah. No, like robbery capital of the world. It doesn't, I don't know. Den of Thieves is sick.
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And then it has the last hour and six minutes, which is just hard as anything else and has three robberies or three shootouts essentially. And you can watch any given part in any order and you can just, as soon as one's on, you're just like, I'm in, I'm watching the whole thing.
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I have the exchange where Ray's like, I ain't cuffing up. And Nick's like, that's okay. I didn't bring my cuffs anyway.
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What do you got, CR? If you know you're getting Den of Thieves 2, do you keep Ray alive? Do you keep Ray a lot? Is Merriman so cool in this movie and such a viable character? I know it ends the movie with such a profound period at the end of the sentence, but Pablo is so good in this that would you be like, Nick goes to get Ray out of jail to help him catch Donnie is the second part.
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Did you actually have this written down or is this, yeah?
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If it happened, it would have to be written exactly like that and in that voice where the white robbers would be like, I'm so mad we used to get our asses whipped by those black guys in football. Let's rob banks. We're getting back at Dorsey High.
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Don Oliveri, because she was, and she's been on a bunch of Taylor Swift stuff.
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I don't think she would have taken that text message as gracefully as Deb did, but yeah.
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I was thinking, because we were talking earlier, we did a quick video where we were talking about what's next for Timothee Chalamet. And while I...
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obviously a proof of going forward with the den of thieves into the future what if we did young nick oh early early days on the lapd going into lasd like getting acquainted with the la underworld a prequel yeah i like it i had i said initially i was trying to when we did the first pod i was talking about
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Who is like the... I think Bosco could have been funnier. Like Bosco could have been like, that's like the flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers role. You know what I mean? Who would you put in?
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You want Shane Gillis to play Murph, right? Yeah, just like three jokes. It would almost have to be one of the cops, though.
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What if Doris Burke was calling the prom date intervention? We see you, Mr. Laveau. For the past 16 years, you've been responsible for your daughter's safety. Now she's going out in the world, prom night, with a gang-affiliated teenager named Ronaldo.
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She also never speaks in that much of a monologue. It's just like, I don't know how it's gotten out of control like that.
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It's a lot. You've got to commit. Maybe in 2050 we'll make Den of Thieves Race War. You never know. Keep plugging away.
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Is Ziggy's Hofbrau based on Sam's Hofbrau here? Isn't that off Olympic somewhere?
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I've been to bars too, man. Have you been to Sam's? I've not been to Sam's.
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That's the text equivalent of when Billy Bob Thornton is talking about fossil fuels on Landman. He's like, absolutely, I believe it. And it's the same thing for the text. The text is just like, all right, I guess I don't witness bank robberies every 44 minutes. I'm about to say, where did it happen?
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I think you could make the argument that this is the second phase of his career. The Fallen movies? I think 300 is the first peak. Where are more conversations now? 300 or Den of Thieves? Well, Den of Thieves in our bubble. Longer tail. I think Den of Thieves now.
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This is a very specific kind of suit store where you can get a suit and a leather duster and cowboy boots.
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Also, it could be Apex Mountain of things being described like Fort Knox.
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It's certainly the apex for South Torrance because otherwise it's Chad Morton.
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It's like, you're such a bad bitch. What?
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Triple Frontier is a war movie though, right?
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Yeah, this is about as good as I've ever seen putting on bulletproof vests.
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He's a nice guy.
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We were like, hey, man, I got this script idea called Race War. Think about it. It's about these white football players.
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Oh, boogie nights for sure.
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That would be like every time you go to the bank, there's a one in eight chance.
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The question is, is it the same shop? I guess not. Cause that's in the Valley. And this is drinking milk right from the carton.
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Let's hear it. I feel like Hanks post-Saving Private Ryan could do it. I think he's got it. I think he spent some time with Sizemore. He knows about late nights. And coming out of Saving Private Ryan, we could have seen it. Are you trying to tell me Tom Cruise could have been anywhere in this film? Wait a minute.
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Tom Hanks saying, the food sucks, we come here for the ass.
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We gotta get a shorter way.
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It's more of like a slot receiver guy.
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You're giving me a binary choice of Cruz or Hanks. I'm telling you it's Hanks.
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Cruz has played more roles like this before. He's in collateral. He's done shit like this.
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I like calling a horse Long Beach Polly.
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It takes me like 10 minutes and I have to like go outside and wait for Uber Eats to drop off my lunch at Spotify. But the Chinese food delivery guy can get inside of the Fed and like wander around the cafeteria.
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It just seems like they could add a tighter Chinese food delivery protocol at the Fed office.
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Yeah, just be like, hey, your food's here. You can come down and get it.
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Oh, yeah. Well, I talked about this on the first one, but there was this idea that a crime movie is essentially about the culture around crime. So in some ways, I think Heat is actually a really good crime film because it's not just about these guys pulling a bank job. It's about why they're pulling a bank job. It's all the circumstances that led them to this moment where they're pulling it.
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Good nitpick, man. Yeah.
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We should have brought 600 pounds out here and seen how fast. It would have been a good taster now.
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Well, I think you're supposed to imagine that like the little bits you're seeing, multiply it by a thousand. He's been at the bar for however long. Hearing these people come in, they leave their ID cards there. They're talking about the new woman at the cafeteria, whatever. And then he's been accumulating this knowledge over the course of this period.
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Oh, you're talking about like what they would order?
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Oh, yeah, what was the order that they were like, that's cool, this tastes normal?
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Do you mean like in the Miles Turner way where you're like, I don't like how he runs?
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Ocean's Eleven is a heist movie because it's about the mechanics of pulling off a heist. It's about all the little layers of how they're gonna get into the casino. And Den of Thieves is both. It's about the culture of what led these guys to this moment and L.A. and the L.A. crime scene, but then it's also about
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In terms of jogging with full cap?
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Well, they never factored the right lane being closed. And honestly, that's the most quintessentially LA thing that happens in this movie. It's like, I had fucking plenty of time and now I'm 40 minutes late because they closed the right lane.
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Any other nitpicks? The only other one that I had was Merriman is super offended by Big Nick's behavior. But I would not describe Merriman as really putting an emphasis on his family. Because he does... Basically make his girlfriend sleep with Big Nick to put him on a wild goose chase. So practice what you preach, right? Yeah. That's all I'm saying.
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We've been moving guys out, right? Should we get Philip Baker Hall out and Big Nick in?
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this super elaborate breaking into one bank to tunnel into another bank to sneak out with Chinese food and get $30 million in shredded money.
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Okay, I was thinking about what would happen if Wayne Jenkins was Big Nick's divorce attorney. Oh. Goddamn, Big Nick!
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If I was going to go with anybody but Christian, I honestly would go Pablo. I had him as well.
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I'm glad you brought this up because I wanted to know what's a medium bad day for an armored truck guy? Like, good day is nothing happened, right? Bad day is Den of Thieves happened or Heat happens or whatever. What's like that was just going over a lot of potholes?
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Or the bank was slow getting us out of there or whatever?
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I wanted to know if Ray Merriman was a tribute to Sean Merriman as a football player. And how would Van talk his way out of sending that text? Oh, what? How would you have talked your way out of sending that text? To your big neck at six in the morning.
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It would be really funny if you went home and you were just like, oh, Chris Ryan borrowed my phone.
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Outside when they're... I mean, the Boogie Nights house is slightly bigger, but it gives you the same kind of... It feels more like South Bay adjacent to me than the Valley, but yeah.
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Yeah. You could actually make the argument that he should have lived. Because 50 then in Dead of Thieves 2 is like a huge thing, right? After Power and everything.
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Best double feature choice. What would you go with, C.R. ? I mean, Den of Thieves 2, Pantera.
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Yeah. Deliver for client.
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Pantera.
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Either the donuts or Donnie's Trans Am or whatever he was driving when he's like, all right, drive.
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I feel like. Do I get Dennis Haysbury to Neil's crew? I think that online gambling was probably not kind to Chris Scheherlis. And by the time you get to our contemporary moment, he is really distracted.
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Yeah. It's like him just being crippled by like, I got to get my bets in.
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So I would go Merriman's crew.
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5'8", pit bull. Those guys get killed on the second robbery.
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Oh, yeah, for sure. Because he's here? No, he shepherded it from the early 2000s up to the screen.
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I'm going to try this in three weeks where I do the movie, won the movie, and he's going to be like, you can't do that.
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I don't think it does, honestly. It does not need a better sex scene in this movie. Did you really want to see Big Nick going at it with the stripper?
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I mean, Heat's influenced pretty much every movie that's come from it. I mean, like, every movie that came afterwards. I mean, like, you could go as big as Dark Knight, or you could say something like Triple Nine, or, like, there's just tons of crime movies that have come out that have referenced it.
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I think that the thing that this movie really grabbed onto is the idea that Heat has, but this movie takes to another level, too, is just this, like, the robber and the cop being on these paths that are, like, going to collide at some point.
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Yeah, and in some ways, like, I mean, Merriman is more principled than Big Nick in this movie. So they have the, like, kind of, like, who are you watching? Who are you rooting for? I think fades and changes throughout the film. But then they twist everything with this usual suspects plot with Donnie. Right?
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So that's the thing that I think is the curveball that keeps you off balance throughout the movie is this, like, why is... We keep going back to the driver. We keep going back to Donnie. I know it's an important actor and everything, but, like, what's happening here? And it's only until the last shot, Kaiser Soze style.
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You really have to love it. It's like watching non-majors golf. You know, it's like, I just really, really like watching Max Hogan.
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Do your version. He's like, we're cop killers now. He's got swag. Van, you want to go? Yeah, sure.
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That's better. You just needed more than one take.
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That means shoot them either in the head or in the arm.
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That's the Alameda corridor, man. You just got to come ready to rock.
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He's also really good in Rock and Roll, I think. Oh, that's great.
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Yeah. Sometimes you gotta age into the roles that you want. I think this is a case where it's like, he was a beefcake, he was a rom-com star, he did some crime movies or whatever, but Big Nick and all the movies around this time seems to be, this is where he was always headed.
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And this look, being able to wear that weight, wear that age, the bags under his eyes, I don't think he could have done that 10 years prior.
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I watched the tape on this one when I got up in the morning.
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If J.J. plays LeBron for another second half, it's going to look like Alec Guinness. He's like, oh.
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The trench run is my most rewatchable scene. This whole sequence. Well, I have one more.
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No, no. I never thought he got one. I didn't understand why he was on the stage. Well, technically, what did he really do?
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Chewie doesn't fly anything.
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It's all out there. Just grab it.
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Does he show piloting in the movie, though? Like, is he ever piloting the Millennium Falcon? The gun is embarrassing.
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I can't believe there's like a sequence of a sci-fi movie that lasts 20 minutes and still like 40 years later. I'm like, yep. And then Porkins comes in and then this happens and then the TIE fighters get behind them. But then the one TIE fighter spins out. And I feel like it's like one of the most amazing moments air sequences, outer space sequences ever come in at the phone. It's okay.
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So between the two scenes. And it's also basically the plot of Top Gun Maverick.
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them being trapped and like I watched this and I kept thinking of all the Austin Powers movies how many things they've ripped off from Star Wars like the big conference room all that stuff it's also there's so many things across obviously the entire trilogies of films and shows but even within the film where you're watching something and you're like wow, kind of getting away with this.
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Oh, you mean like in a, wow, you fucked that guy up.
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And then it turns out Vader talks Tarkin into letting them go so that they can track them back to the Rebel base. It's like everything has an extra layer.
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Nixon being in it? No. I guess some of the laser beam special effects, some of the explosions where it just looks like a sparkler going off. I mean, they did incredible stuff, but there are certain things that they just couldn't catch up with yet.
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Not like you fucked up the meeting.
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What if your daughter's like damn Greedo?
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The Force being a kind of forgotten religion or spiritual discipline that only like three zealots still practice. Like for all the other Star Wars that we have, it's like the central preoccupation of the story. And we as viewers are supposed to understand midichlorians and how it works. In this, it's like, no, these three weirdos still talk about it.
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But for the most part, it's kind of been phased out. And it's all about industrial strength. It's like the long tube. The long tube.
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Then there's just all the stuff that when you're watching and you come across it, you're like, I've actually had this in the... This has been taking up brain space for 40 years. The two stormtroopers who are getting distracted being like, you see the new BT-16? And I'm just like, how did they just, like, throw that line in there of these two guys bullshitting with each other?
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Or the way that every squadron checks in? Like, Red 5 standing by? Like, I want to text you on Thursday night and be like, Red 5 standing by before Triple H starts.
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has elements of like movies like the damn busters and other films that lucas was influenced by but like that clearly is like that's the best we can do with a aerial attack idea so we're just gonna put that in top gun we're gonna put that i was shocked how many movies ripped off even that like i think it's the ending of four different fast and furious movies the hero pilot being like i've lost my confidence but now i've gotten it back right yeah is is such a recurring motif so dan what do you got so uh
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You can't smoke darts around him. He'd be the worst podcaster ever. The breathing is nice.
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We know that?
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Yeah, you could say that, definitely. That's what I was talking about when Tarkin shows the planet getting blown up. And even though he pulls her away from stop, like jumping on Tarkin or whatever, it is fatherly. There are these moments where it's like something is telling him that. Although I guess he doesn't know Leia's his daughter until later, right?
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Well, we know it's not getting horny because there's that many manhood. That's right.
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I would say Kevin Owens has to be up there too. He's an amazing athlete. Vader 2.0. Warren Sapp. I was going to say like Refrigerator Perry. Oh, that's a good one.
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I mean, he basically made it less nerdy, right? He goes, you gotta shorten this a little bit. Yeah, he thought it was way too long.
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Like, hey, this is the fucking lot we were getting. But you could be like, fucking Harrison Ford is also Indiana Jones.
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Great Shot Gil, Gilbert Taylor. Luke staring at the two stuns on Tatooine.
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Everything that I was talking about before, where this movie allows you to fill it in, fill in the blanks, instead of him saying anything, instead of there being too many characters talking at him, it's just like, this is a kid. He's looking for a purpose. He knows there's something bigger out there, this greater world, and he's just looking off into the sunset, imagining himself getting off.
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The planet that's the farthest from the center of the universe.
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you know like that's just a beautiful unforgettable image that looks almost like it's documentary or something but it's in a science fiction movie so there's like a bunch of them throughout the movie I also really love this shot of after Obi-Wan gets cut down it's like the wide shot of Luke standing there in disbelief even though there's already a laser battle like a blaster battle going on right and then he finally like puts his blaster up and starts shooting he was staring at disbelief because Obi-Wan choked you had one chance
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That's a great criteria orgasm.
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Can you imagine Han with a fucking camel light behind his ear?
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Maybe he never smokes it.
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Droids can buy a beer. Well, we didn't know at the time. The droids, they had some problems with the droids.
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Oh, that's a great one. That's a good one. Uh... What's like a... Bantha? Bantha Lights? Bantha Lights?
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The droids are- Oh, tell me. What were the problems? I actually don't know what you're talking about. Weren't the droids part of the clone army or whatever?
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But I'm saying, do you think anyone's actually named... If you named your kid Darth Vader, hit us up at the Rewatchables inbox.
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Yeah. It's a book about medals award for best quote. Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny. That was my yearbook quote. Really? Wow. Yeah. Look at that. Wow. Yeah.
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A rejection of God. What a moment here. In high school. No, I was just like... Interesting. I got it all under control. Well, I went to a Quaker school, so... Oh, you were throwing it in their faces? No, I mean, like, there was that of God in all of us. That's the Quaker belief, you know? But I always loved that Han Solo line.
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But he has to, I think I have so much respect for starting him at that point. And, you know, there's a lot of dialogue right now about like the last of us and the main character and the last of us, whether she's annoying, you know, and like how, like, but you have to start at one place and get to another, you know? And I think we're very impatient. We want everybody to be prepackaged.
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It's like very cool. That being said, there are other people that were looked at for this role that I think it would have been maybe cooler.
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No, I meant like, they just have like an antagonism towards droids in general.
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Yeah.
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The hard part about this and the reason why I think Hamill's redeemed over the course of the first three films that they make is that he becomes a pretty scarred, grizzled person, both because of what happens to him off screen, but also the character himself. Yeah. is so much different when he returns to Tatooine and Jedi than he is when he leaves it. It's a really cool arc.
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You just have to be there. You have to really ride along with it. If you're only watching A New Hope, you're like, okay. That was my least favorite of the main three guys.
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What? Craig just left. I'm asking if that's why he said it. I don't know.
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I mean a weak link. Yeah, there's that guy Porkins, who's one of the pilots, who has a really tough name and gets nuked fucking instantly. And I was just like, there has to be a little bit of competition for places there. They're really counting on Luke really hard in that trench run.
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Anyway, what do you got for what stage it was? There's like only two women in this movie. It's a big sausage party out in that galaxy. Right?
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Mostly teams that get eliminated by the time the pod publishes. I'm surprised we haven't had a John Halliburton reference yet.
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Well, the only blood you see in this movie is the arm chopped off, right? Yeah.
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Do you guys have in What's Aged the Worst?
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What's the amount of times in this movie where you're like, so that's how they do things in that family between Luke and Leia? Exactly.
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I don't know if this aged them the worst, but it aged the funniest. Disney rejecting the screenplay and then buying Lucasfilm for $4 billion. Amazing. Yes.
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It's kind of like taking two QBs later.
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Do you like the Star Wars Cantina more or less than the Verdict Bar?
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I think if he's on screen for much longer, you start asking if he has a penis. Probably so.
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The connection is actually... The connection is she's the only woman in the galaxy who's ever seen a woman other than his aunt.
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Well, I'm sure that Star Wars inspired Game of Thrones, but do you think George R. R. Martin was like, I want to do Star Wars, but what if the brother and sister fuck constantly and have a demon child that ruins the realm?
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Could Luke Wilson have been Han Solo? I mean, we could end the category there. This would be the singularity of if I go back and be like, this movie would have been better with Luke Wilson as a hottest take.
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I do have a hottest take, though, about Harrison Ford.
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This is probably the coolest character in movie history, but he is a real cock-blocking dickhead in this movie. And he basically, as soon as Luke gets kind of interested in Leia, he's like, no, no, no, I'm interested in Leia. Luke's lost his surrogate father, gets one TIE fighter, gets a little excited, and Han's like, don't get cocky! Don't get cocky! Let him have this!
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Let him just fucking pop his fucking collar a little bit. Pump his chest. Talk his shit. No, you got to be like, no, it's Millennium Falcon. It's my, I'm the only one who's not to have fun.
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Glad I could be in Carrie.
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He was the guy who ended up in Starman. And he's in Untouchables as the accountant. Yeah, he's the geeky guy in American Graffiti. Oh, shit.
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Perfect. The casting motives for Han is Han is tough because you're like, this is every actor, but also I can't stop thinking about Jack Nicholson as Han Solo if they actually looked at him.
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There's probably a bunch of that guys on the Enterprise. The guy gets choked out by Vader, might have been in like a Starship and Hutch episode we didn't see. Would have been like, yeah, that's David Morse.
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I have a Dion Waiters award for the collective of people in the bar. Oh. All you guys. Group Dion. Racist bartender, butt face, all those guys together.
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Handsome. Yeah. I would buy him, but not Charles Martin Smith. You know what I mean? So like in the conception of the character, or are you talking about, no, you're talking about for Luke for Luke.
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My favorite anecdote from the set of this movie is like in England, if you were in the middle of a shot at the end of the day, you were given, generally given the grace to like finish your shot setup that you had. But the crew didn't like, dislike Lucas so much that they were always like, now we're out. It's quitting time.
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One of the coolest things to read about is the original rough cut of this movie, the lost cut, which is the editor was basically assembling something for Lucas to look at. And it winds up being very long. It's like, I don't know how like three hours or whatever. And apparently is a lot more Luke on Tatooine with like wedge hanging out, you know, like American graffiti in space.
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But then Paul Hirsch and other people come in and cut it way down.
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If you met Chewie, would you want him in Prefontaine short shorts? Or Jalen Webber Fab Five? Fab Five shorts.
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There were projects that he was trying to get off the ground that he couldn't, right? Like what? Wasn't that World War II pilot's movie? One that he wanted to do for a long time? He made it, right? Wasn't that Red Tails? Red Tails, yeah. It took 20 years to get it made, right? He makes one movie and then he vanishes for a long time in terms of being behind the camera.
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You mean the prequels? The prequels. The next three. Empire and Jedi is like real people. Not him.
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I was going to say there's some way to conceive of the outer space sagas. I wouldn't say science fiction necessarily, but like... So sci-fi movies, it's Apex Mountain.
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John Williams? It's almost impossible to say.
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Wow. I think it's Star Wars.
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Yeah. I prefer Star Wars to Facebook, generally.
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Cruz or Hanks? I have Cruz, but I think Hanks could have been a good Han.
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Cruz for Luke around TAPS.
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I think Hanks there is like when Hanks is in the Volunteers. I could see him being Han Solo. Disagree.
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And you're just like, you know, why is he such a brat about everything?
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Okay. R2 and C-3PO, what were you saying about them picking nits?
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Should have shot it down. What are we doing? This goes towards the theory that Darth is always kind of like holding the Empire back a little bit. Yeah. Because there's one time where they only send like four TIE fighters at the Millennium Falcon. It's like, you guys probably could have taken the Falcon out. We could have ended this whole thing.
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They're just playing futuristic 3D risk chess. Yeah. You skipped one of my favorite low-key scenes, though. Stop. Tarkin making Leia watch him blow up her planet while Darth puts his dad hands on her?
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Like with the homing beacon thing? Yeah, it's not like they had Google Earth back then. No, but they put little trackers on stuff. They have the computers.
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Really awesome. That's pure kink.
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It's also one of the most illest things I've ever seen.
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So you're allowed to be like Leia's outfit would be dirtier, but he can't be like theirs.
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They're like, we have to have a beat here where they're like sad about this. Exactly, exactly. But it's like, it's kind of weird.
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This is a thing. It also takes a lot of energy to run it, which we're finding out in Andorra. Very expensive. This is a thing.
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No, I understand. The only picking nit I really had, it's related to what Sean just said, is on the Luke side of things with the Death Star, Luke bets the entire galaxy on a spiritual force he learned about a week ago. He's like, I'm turning off the computer! Dude, you were on a desert planet. You had never heard of the Force before.
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When I was a kid, the first time I was like, they're not going to blow that planet up though. Not just to test them.
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It's like Randy Quaid in Independence Day. He's like, I'm just getting an F-16, man.
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I have an addition to this category.
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Is this movie with Bill Simmons podcasting about it on a Sunday night pod? Yes. I'm so honored. I actually watched the lightsaber battles. And ever since Obi-Wan got brought down, Luke Skywalker has an edge. And guess what? He's just 19.
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I see you, Mr. Skywalker.
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You're saying just one. I'm going to say...
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Did we just cross the over for the amount of genitalia on Star Wars characters we're talking about?
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Well, we hit two. Yeah.
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I'm probably... Like Michael Jackson Thriller?
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Doesn't count.
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Daryl Hannah from Blade Runner, maybe?
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I would want a lightsaber. Yeah, for sure. You can only have one lightsaber. Who are you taking? Obi? I'll take Darth's because as far as I know, Darth's lightsaber is the one that works. It's the one that takes down Obi-Wan. It's the red one.
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I'm saying Harrison Ford keeps this movie attached to humanity. It's a robot and a twerp acting against each other. He's the coolest guy and one of the coolest movie characters ever. Sean?
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Is that why you think he won the movie?
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I was just trying to be interesting.
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Can I make an Aunt Beru case? Aunt Beru.
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Well, I think he's... He's a prisoner, so he's pretending to be...
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I feel like if we redid JFK, that would go two parts, because now we have more documentation.
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Not a complicated movie too. It's just like, this is a really, this is a great chase.
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No, they didn't. Oh, there's a hotel they closed.
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Yeah, and asked them in maybe a more polite way. How could this guy go to the bathroom?
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He also cut him to pieces and threw him in lava. Absolutely. He's probably like, hmm, this is the all-time...
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up there this is when it really kicks okay motherfuckers with darth vader blast through a door in the first scene but it's this is so cool even though like some of the physics of it don't really make any sense yeah uh it's i i always and i every time i watch it uh i'm really nervous that they're not gonna get out I'm worried that one of them is going to go down.
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Or when 3PO thinks that they're all dead and he's like, oh, damn it!
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There is an element of sci-fi to this.
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This is a Clint Eastwood movie.
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Because you obviously are watching the Star Wars stuff that comes out now with such a close eye. One of the things I thought was really interesting doing research about this was Lucas goes through all these different variations of the script. It's 250 pages at some point. He has the entire trilogy mapped out. When this stuff comes out, it's immediately like there are going to be 12 movies.
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He's got 12 in his head. But when you watch the first one, when you watch A New Hope, the thing that blows your mind is that first 45 minutes, albeit maybe a little bit dull is not packed to the gills with information. There's not a ton of exposition about like, well, okay, there's the Senate and then they're doing this.
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And then like, we're going to cut Palpatine and then we're going to cut to here. And these characters are going to meet just to talk about the fact that there's a vote coming up or that the clone wars were like this. It's just droids wandering around in the desert, which in a weird way becomes more immersive, right? Like you're like, what the fuck is this movie? What is going on?
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So do you... I guess my question is, like, do you have a preference or do you kind of see the difference between how Star Wars has changed over the years?
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Coming up next, why Greedo?
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Don't disrespect him.
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Yeah, but Lucas clearly doesn't care. I don't actually think he sees these movies, especially this movie, the way we see it. Totems of our childhood. He looks at it as a professional misstep that albeit made him a billionaire. I don't think he's looking at it as like, oh, this is just a priceless, perfect gem.
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He does stuff like takes the dust off of a window and stuff. He doesn't change...
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Are you like Han Solo and you just believe in just hitting same game parties with your boys?
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I have not heard that.
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Yeah. I mean, this is the movie that I've seen the most in my life, I think.
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Like in the eighties, especially we were given all of these tokens of our belief in these fucking toys. Yeah. And you would just sit around all day and be like, this is, this is my Han Solo toy. And I, now I'm going to think about this guy for three hours. Yeah. Which is more than I thought about Jesus Christ in any given day.
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You told me that last week, and that would not have been my guess. I mean, you have to remember, it's like from the time that I can basically remember from when I was like five or six to now. I mean, it's just been a constant in my life, and especially with the last, what, 15 years of its revival, pretty much since like 2013, when did Force Awakens come out? Yeah.
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I feel like all of my toys... The stuff I remember having is more Empire era, like Dagobah. I think I had the Dagobah that you could slip through the mud kind of thing.
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There were no answers yet. There really wasn't this, oh, you can refer to one of 19 animated series that document this entire thing.
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Meanwhile, Coppola's going up to him like Maury in Goodfellas.
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Somebody else might've gotten there. Obviously when that first movie comes out, we don't know that it's going to be three films, then another three films, then a massive sale to Disney that includes a universal expansion of the property.
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I do think it's predictive of a kind of feverish, monocultural thing that was happening in the 80s where Michael Jackson opens up the idea of how big an artist can get in music, right? For the first time, maybe since the Beatles. It is a literal... Everybody is obsessed with this one thing.
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And obviously there was something in the water coming that was like people were ready to have maybe be distracted. I don't know. But your point's really well taken. I mean, this movie famously had to make way for Sorcerer, the William Friedkin movie at Man's Chinese Theater. And Sorcerer had like a week or two run and they were like, get this shit out of here.
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I mean, it's like we do these rewatchables a lot and like we'll talk about movies from, say, like the early 80s or the 70s. This is the first one I think we've done that I feel like was this turning point where I was born into a world after Star Wars. So I was born at the end of 77. So everything that happened in my life is a world that is reacting to what George Lucas did.
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Yeah, I was really just piggybacking off of what Sean was saying, where the idea that... Oh, he's definitely right. But it's like the idea, basically, that somebody who's six years old and 36-year-old could be obsessed with the same thing.
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That's crazy. And that happens once every 10 years now?
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Have you seen all of them? Apparently there's some Axel Braun film.
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So I don't even have a frame of reference for what going to the movies was like before Star Wars. And I think it's a testament to this movie's legacy and impact that movies were never the same after that.
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Big comeback.
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He's out there trying to get Last Temptation of Christ made. King of Common Bonds.
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When we do the Angel Heart rewatchables, can we all wear Canton NFL Hall of Fame blazers and welcome Lisa Bonet to the Ring of Honor?
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The sad part about... The truth and the sad part about what Milius is talking about is the Roman excess of wealth that exploded in Hollywood for the most part benefited the studios and the corporations and the... studio heads and the agents and all the people around Hollywood that decided like, oh, look how much money we can make from this.
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And that's probably what had more profound effect on what kind of movies that got made than anything Lucas ever did.
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Yeah, I was always... When I was watching it this time, I was thinking a lot about Luke and Han. And when you're a kid, let's say when you're like six or seven years older, whenever you see this movie and you're starting to get all the toys. I mean, this movie really... It suggests a lot of things about what we would come to understand about the mythology and the lore around Star Wars.
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Well, because they have the blueprint. I mean, the thing that happens is there is no graduation out of Star Wars. Yes, most people probably leave it behind, but what Star Wars invents is the idea that you can continue these people as customers beyond their childhoods.
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Which is, look at the four of us sitting here talking about Star Wars as if it's like... a pressing issue. You know what I mean? And we are. There's a Star Wars show on right now. It's probably the best thing on TV. It's like... Right. It's still with us.
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I, like, watch Rosario Dawson acting against, like, an invented digital screen talking to an alien about stuff and I'm just like, well, I have to do the work. I have to. I have to finish the job. You know what I mean?
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But there's so many pockets for your imagination in this. And I was taken back to having the toys and writing my own Star Wars stories. Because it wasn't so... Everything was drilled down. All the details were nailed down. Like...
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The stations kind of look similar.
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There's also the perfect framing device of saying it's a galaxy far away, but it's a long time ago. It's immediately timeless because there are recognizable things about this galaxy that you recognize in your world, but you're also like, but is this Is this like a Western? Is this like a samurai? Is this like King Arthur? Is this like all these? Is it a Bible story?
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all the things about Star Wars that we now know, which is going to make picking nits almost hard because you can just be like, oh yeah, they answered that in Rogue One or they answer that in Jedi or they answer that in Sith. It's like, well, for me, I came up with them.
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It feels very old, even though it's set in the future. And so you wind up kind of losing yourself in the world of pure imagination, whereas 2001 is about human beings on Earth longing for connection with something greater than they have.
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Like, and that was like this thing that became, it almost belonged to everybody because in your mind, you're like, I think about Wedge as much as I think about whoever. And I have like a whole story laid out in my little brain about this. And I think that's why people are still obsessed with it.
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It's the franchise. It means franchise.
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The technique of world-building, which has now become basically how you get a meeting in Hollywood. It's not just this. There's so much more. There's so many more ways to go. I would add Peter Jackson to your Star Wars.
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influences um and the way he he made the lord of the rings trilogy i just think yeah like it's become now the currency of hollywood is to go in and say there's so many different stories we can tell with this main story i mean i think there is some fatigue with that um because people feel like they're not getting a complete statement and maybe the success of barbie and oppenheimer suggests like people are pretty satisfied with one story but sinners
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But they're already asking those guys, what about a prequel? They're peppering them on the red carpet.
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later in life is because you have this memory of it being like a core text of how you started to use your creative brain almost.
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Can we go to Chicago with Smoke and Stack? Can we go to Boston in the 70s? Why he throwed him out the oops?
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Think about how much we talked about Pulp Fiction's influence.
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Yeah.
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Was that like five years? Ultimately, people love Pulp Fiction.
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But they were making movies like Pulp Fiction for about five years. And people were listening to music like the music on the soundtrack for about five... I'm not even trying to be disrespectful. It's like one of my favorite movies. This thing is now five decades of having kind of... everything in a headlock.
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Which speaks... Well, because everybody's so afraid to push the ball forward because then you're on your own. If you want to just play in the sandbox of like, oh, we already know canon-wise and timeline-wise what's happening leading up to A New Hope, you can do that.
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He actually, to me, looks even cooler. He's way cooler.
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Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer come in and say, hey, why don't we hose her down a little bit? There's a shot when Millennium Falcon's first flying to Yavin, like, towards the end of the movie, and they're about to land at the Rebel base, and there's, like, the red planet, and then it comes around that red planet to be able to see the Rebel base planet.
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And I still, to this day, I'm just like, that is outer space, right? I can't get my mind around the fact that guys made that. Like, it looks like a spaceship traveling in outer space to me.
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That's what I think.
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My mom said that. You must have lost your shit. The first ship goes by and you're like, cool. And then the fucking destroyer comes from the top of the screen over the audience. And she was like, everybody in the theater just gasped.
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Was Galactica before Star Wars or after?
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Oh, yeah. You can see that again at the last battle. Absolutely. When they're flying over the surface of the Death Star and it's like, you can see every nook and cranny and you're like, oh my God.
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Next week on The Rewatch.
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If I was Lucas, I'd go back to Spielberg and be like, look, man.
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When you look at the critical response, it's such a huge spectrum where it's like, you know, some of the high-end places are just like, this is empty, there's no characters, blah, blah, blah. Then there's a lot of people who are like, this is definitely going to change the trajectory of culture.
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Han Solo or Indiana Jones like what jersey is he in what's his hall of fame I have the sort of the answer my answer for this is I think Indiana Jones is his more iconic role but I think he wins Star Wars A New Hope like I think that you're stepping on the last category I'm just I'm just saying Jesus I think not even the correct answer to that question without Harrison Ford this movie actually doesn't work
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on a total level. But in my mind, he is Indiana Jones. I've thought about it for such a long time.
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But he gets to cook in this. He gets to just come in and have fun and flirt and have the best lines. He's in every frame, almost, of Indiana Jones. It's true.
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What did you say? You said... It's Indy is what he's most known for. But for you, it's Han Solo? I think Han Solo is the most important part of this movie to me.
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recent history movies last 50 years could have been as good as Han Solo that we have that we've had honestly you have to be to me like when I watch him in this movie I'm like this is like if Brad Pitt and George Clooney were the same guy it's like it's got the ineffable cool and like that kind of remove but also like can make fun of himself and seems like a joker and it's it's so hard to put that together there's there's a Denzel case
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
Now you got me thinking about Denzel when he asks for the money from ladies because I'm leaving with something. I'm leaving with something. There's a Denzel case is all I'm saying.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
Kaminsky as the cinematographer? I have a couple of guys above Janusz.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
Yeah, I actually forgot about Jaws for like two minutes.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
It's probably the most famous theme, but I think... Maybe.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
He also just has 10 movies that are not as big as these where he just absolutely cooked. Empire of the Sun is a gorgeous film.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
I wonder if you could even sense any of the burgeoning backlash, rejection of Star Wars in the embrace of Annie Hall that year. I mean, Annie Hall is a quintessentially 70s product.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
Sounds like he was a really good co-worker, but was like, why don't you kill me? I really don't want to do this anymore. Like, kill my character.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
Yeah.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
Did David go as Luke or Vader?
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
Yeah.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
I'm just saying.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
I was like, whoa, they really did a good job.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
Would you say over under 10 times you've seen this in your life?
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
I think the thing that jumped out at me on these rewatches was I always forget how bratty Luke is for that first hour. And there's those funny lines where he's like... You know, I was going to be Tosche Station and get some power converters or whatever. And it's really like not until they spring Leia that he kind of like starts to grow up a little bit.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
And then that's also when he has the moment that basically makes him a man when he loses Obi-Wan or whatever. But like, yeah, it's really funny. I remember being a kid and identifying with Luke because I was a child. So Luke was kind of like a cool older person to me then. And now it's like you go back and you're just like, I just watch.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
It's just like, as soon as Solo shows up, the movie takes off.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
No, I think it's supposed to be a kid who's isolated, who's looking for or feels like his life should have meaning, and it doesn't.
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‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part One) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
This is like the men's recovery program. The three of us are going to be crying.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He's just fucking with me, man. He did this the last time, too. It's pew, pew. Pew, pew. Chris Ryan.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Box office. And then even when Apollo's going through, and he clearly lost the fight. You could watch the movie 15 times in a row and Apollo lost, right?
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I guess 14 might have been a 10-8. And it's like, there's a statement that the movie is making about how cynical Apollo was about picking Rock.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I love him. Apollo is so great. But that character in a way, that's a revolutionary character. No question. Particularly as a black man right there to be the guy that he's the one that's talking specifically about America and the American dream. Yeah.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Can I ask a question about going back to what you guys were talking about Would Good Will Hunting be in the same mode of a movie where the guys just went, fuck it, we're going to make our own movie and explode? Yeah, the only difference, though, is those guys. They haven't been around for a while.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Is there a version of Stallone's career where he is primarily a writer? That he's more of a filmmaker actor
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
We've done physical transformation there.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
When he died, a part of me died too. Duke has some all-time heaters. Why wasn't Duke... Duke has some... Duke's the best. The guy's all wrong for us. Like, Duke has some... I don't like southpaws. Like, Duke has some all-time heaters when you just let Duke cook, man.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Um, Something else about the movie, to me, it establishes the sports movie to where a victory for our main character is this transformational victory for all of our supporting characters, too. Like, everybody learns a lesson along with Rock.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Pauly, like, Rock pulls everybody. Mickey.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
All white doo-wop group. We're going to get to it.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
All white doo-wop group. Loved it. Your Mickey thoughts. So, you know, I haven't been around the boxing gym a lot. Everybody in there is essentially Mickey. Like, you know, they have their favorites. They do the whole you're not putting enough into your boxing career. When I was a kid, I didn't like Mickey. I thought that Mickey sucked as I got older. something changed. I'll tell you what it is.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
When you get older, the first thing you lose patience for is people squandering their talent and their ability. That's the first thing that goes. I didn't know why people used to do that to me when I was a kid. I'd just be like, look how big Van is. And one of my uncles would be like, yeah, he ain't going to do nothing with it. I'd be like, goddamn, I'm eating my cereal.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
What the fuck is wrong with you? But now when I look at Mickey and I go, he was so disappointed in Rocky because he saw what Rocky could have been. And that's why he was treating him like shit. So that's a character that you kind of age with. Because at first, when I first saw the movie, I was like, well, I had seen the opening. Rocky loves Mickey so much. I was like, why?
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
No, you're right. That's so funny. Our role, when it's coming up in the category, like prequel, I'm like, this movie is a prequel. It is a prequel.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He's kind of an asshole for the first time.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Hold on. Is there an ashtray? Mick gives his locker away. To the dipper. Continuously tells him how shitty he is. And then... becomes kind of grifter when the $150,000 deal comes by. Now it's such an important scene. It's an incredible scene.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Yeah. Tough one. That's a great thing. It makes sense. It's like I'm 75 years old. It never happened for me. I just want to be around anyone who still has the chance that it could happen for them.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
The Oscars fall for phenomenon a lot. And if the movie was a phenomenon that you say it was, they get swept up in that. It's a very relatable movie.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Video games, cartoons, it creates an American mythology. Like Rocky is not a movie character. He's like more akin to like, I don't know, Paul Bunyan.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
But like now... At this particular timing, I think you'd have to be like 26 or 27. But I think that the kids that would watch the movie now, a lot of them, they're not going to stick it out with Rocky through the early parts of this.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
No. I don't know. I'm pretty good in the ring, though, man. Couple rounds? Maybe. I'll tell you one thing about that scene, though. That is one of the worst in terms of like... boxing movie scenes ever. And it's interesting. Because of the boxing or because of... No, it just... There's this portrayal of the sport. When I say worse, I mean the way... Unflattering.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Unflattering is what I meant to say. This portrayal of the sport that these guys are in there just killing themselves for nothing. It's completely dirty. It's corrupt. It's just the worst part of it.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Fans are awful. The whole deal. And the first thing Rocky says is... When can I fight again? Yeah. Like there's something that he's putting himself through and you go, and the first thing you go is like, why? And that question is answered.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
at the end of the movie, the end of the movie, the movie takes the entire movie to answer the question of why would someone put themselves through what, what Rocky's going through in the first scene is because you might, you could possibly make, everyone is chasing that walking out there at the end. And so that kind of pays it off. But when you, when I watched that scene, the first like, it's,
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Shockingly absent from the film. The lore of the Rocky movies... After you watch all of them and then you come back to this one, what a quaint, emotionally devastating film. Mid-70s character study. A small character study of a guy that's trying to take this opportunity for the rest of his life. Something that's super duper relatable.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I like when Rock has had enough of it. He just goes after him.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
It's funny. I mean, This movie is the definition of a rewatchable because we know that we're looking at Rocky Balboa. I know. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't know that he's Rocky Balboa, but we know. It's like a superhero movie. Yeah. Like we know that we're looking at Rocky Balboa.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
The whole deal. He's going to go on to become, he's already got like 21 losses, but he's going to end up, he's going to go on to become one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. Right. The whole, like we know we're looking at him.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He keeps the leg. And then he's like touching people with it, with the grease. Oh my God, dude. He's wielding the turkey leg as a scepter as he's throwing her Thanksgiving turkey. I don't know, what a bastard.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I don't know, bro. Is Apollo ready for this guy, bro? Ariel's like, I heard that wasn't real meat.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
How important is this movie? This is going to sound so stupid. The city has so much history. How important is this movie to the contemporary identity of Philadelphia? I think it was big during my childhood. It was huge during my childhood. Not so much anymore. Peaked in the 80s.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
and it's just all body shots but they repeat the same shot it's two punches that they run twice reminds me of the fight that was on last week where oh yeah yeah where Zhang just gets nuked out by body shots yeah and you and that's his thing He's going to go to the ribs just like the slabs of meat.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He's bleeding internally, yeah.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
So gross. Cut Me Mick is disgusting, y'all.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
With so much more than what he came into the fight with, that even looking at him as battered and bruised as he is, you're like, it was worth it.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I think it's the training, but I do want to just give some love to Rocky and Adrian's first date. At the ice skating rink. The ice skating rink. Where he just demonstrates so many things. Number one, like... The script really is perfect because Rocky's talent is determination.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
That's what his talent is. His talent is determination. And throughout the whole movie, you just see a determined guy. He's going to get her on the ice rink. He's going to tell her the stupid Southpaw story. And you can just see them kind of closing in on each other to the whole time to where, you know, he kind of accosts her in his apartment later on.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Yeah, these fentanyl guys could just carry a tune, you know? Yeah. If they could just sing a little bit, we could... That's a fucking guy, bro.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Right. Right. Thanksgiving Christmas is the shittiest life. You know how many times in this movie, somebody accuses somebody else of stinking. It stinks. Yeah. It stinks in here. Oh yeah, he talks to his own apartment. It's about how it stinks. Desperation.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Turtles are an L. Yeah. You don't like them? No. I used to like them when I was back in Louisiana. I'd see turtles everywhere. Would you have them in the house though? Probably not. Yeah. Agnostic on turtles now. No, it's aged the best. Well, first of all, I personally think that just overall the sports movie obviously has aged the best, but I think that this, it's because of Rocky.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I think without the success and the cultural penetration of this movie, I think the sports movie period is just like much, much different. Yeah, I wonder if somebody would have figured it out. They probably would have. But we don't know. Right. I'm sure they would have, right? It's just such a... important piece of our culture.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
But man, does this movie just completely, it's like the Marlon Brando of sports movies. It changes the archetype, period.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I have a thought. It's probably because when we're watching those dynasties, it's aspirational. And when we're watching the movies, it's inspirational. We're definitely more Rocky than we are the Yankees. Everybody in this movie feels like they're Rocky. If you watch this movie and you felt like Apollo Creed, then you on some different shit. Right. So we're Rocky probably.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean, though?
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
But to his point, though, And I've always wondered this. Not only do we not get into the underdogs in real life, but we hate them. Like we, if we are relentlessly critical. Oh yeah. Like when a bad team.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Kind of don't like them. Like, you know, a team's bad. They suck. I hate them. They're disgusting and all of that. I'm like, look, you're just not having a good season, you know? So it's just different.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
You want me to take this one? It's the same space. Boxing is legitimately the only place where it's still completely acceptable to be totally tribal. Sure. I mean, some people would say that there are other places where it happens. But in boxing, you go to a place like the black guy versus Mexican guy. All the brothers rooting for the black guy.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
All my Latino brothers and sisters rooting for the Mexican guy.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
And it's just totally okay. It's totally okay. Why are you beating down? I'm not beating down.
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Oh no, Stallone doesn't. I don't think Stallone... I don't think the movie is conceived from the lens of race almost at all.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Well, I think... I'm not saying it's right. There was no way to read it other than that at that time. But then if you... kind of realize how obsessive Sylvester Stallone is about boxing like legitimately Roy Jones Jr.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
was supposed to be in Rocky Balboa he went out and laid an egg in a ring Stallone removed him from the movie and put Antonio Tarver in the movie he was really good right and so like it when you, obviously the movie has racial undertones, overtones, the entire thing, but all of the race in the film comes from the black heavyweight champion. Yeah.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Like he is the one, and maybe that's intentionally done.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
The movie itself is. But also, like, even small things. Like, Rocky's locker gets given to... Dipper. Dipper. Dipper. Younger. Yo, Rock, I dig your locker. I dig your locker. He's like, you put me on skid row. Yeah.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Well, when you're in the gym with that much testosterone, that normally happens because two people have taken something that happened inside of the ring.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
You know what I mean? And so like, because the boxing gym is a pretty chill place. It's like very chill. But once again, the tribalism still exists in there. I have said stuff in the boxing gym that I wouldn't say anywhere else. Like Phil goes, I remember one time Phil, I walk in the gym, Phil goes, hey, man, I got somebody for you to work with. And I go, I'm not sparring any more Mexicans.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I just remember, and I said, and everybody's laughing. I'm like, I'm in here for, you know, fitness. I'm not trying to fight somebody that's fighting for the honor of their family. So, you know. Just letting you finish.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
We were talking about it. See?
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
See, yeah, you used to be one of us.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Certainly. It's a movie that... At its heart is about this guy's golden opportunity, but then it also gets into why that's happening. Everybody wants to believe somewhere, someplace right now that people are having a conversation about you that's going to end in you doing this great, amazing thing.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Like, they just, a straight lie. Yeah.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He didn't call? What's going on? You can ask me about my business this one time. One time. Did you do it? No. No, I didn't. Why? Door closed right on her. Right.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Yeah. Like I don't think we wanted to see like- Really good reshoot. She legitimately comes into his world. Yes. By the way, about her performance, I think she actually grounds the movie with her performance.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I think at the beginning of the movie, she's kind of the only-
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I like that too. There's a record that plays at the end of the movie that was sampled by somebody else in a very popular song that I loved in the 90s. What song? The song's called Victory. By Notorious B.I.G.? Yeah. At the beginning, somebody raps on the song.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Somebody who might be in a lot of trouble these days? Yeah. When I hear the beginning of it, I just think immediately of that record. And I started doing it almost reflectively. I'm like, yo, the sun don't shine forever, but as long as it's... And then I was like, oh, wow. Yeah. Whoa. It's tough.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Apollo Creed is the single best... fictional name. It's literally, to me, up there with Darth Vader. It's also cool because he talks about names throughout the movie.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
And then to watch that happen and then watch the guy that it's happening to, knowing that he did absolutely zero to like deserve it. It's all- Right, turns down the fight when it's offered to him. Yeah, right. Immediately turns it down.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Yeah. The Pauly Award for asshole of the film. It goes to Pauly. It goes to Pauly.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
There are... Very few characters that are pure asshole, just all asshole. And it gets worse because we now know that at the end, after Rocky gets his fucking face beat in for 15 years building a fortune, what is the reason that Rocky loses all of his money? Rocky V never happened. I don't care. He loses all of his money and has to open up a small Italian restaurant. Pauly.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Because Pauly gives power of attorney to some crazy person. And then Rocky gets all of his money taken.
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He literally pimps his sister out?
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I mean, Rocky is kind of complicit because Pauly makes her go out with him. Pauly comes in, he throws, he sacrifices Thanksgiving turkey. That's an all-time asshole move. She goes, it's Thanksgiving. I can't go on a date because I'm making a turkey.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I've been making a Thanksgiving turkey. This dude takes the turkey, throws it out of the window, and then eats a piece of it. So he gets some turkey for himself.
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But it's the thing that's going to save his life and propel him. Like legitimately in the last scene of the movie, when Adrian is walking to the ring, like her hat falls off. Like her hat falls off. She looks back for the hat. that version of her is gone now. Yeah. Like the mousy, like, I don't know that I'm beautiful. I'm trying to hide from the world version.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
You won't come in? That's the point. It's the skating rink. Then he has to convince her to come inside. Then he has to convince her to stay inside. Then he's got to show the guns. Then he's got to do the whole, it's like, all right, we get it.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Cause at the end, she becomes like a little, a little mix. Yeah. She's ready. She jumps on it.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He's like. It's a little uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah. He subtly asked for consent. I'm going to kiss you now. But at that point she was in a spot and I don't feel like she felt like she could do anything else. Yeah.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Right. Nobody punches him at a bar or anything. He disses the way she looks. He disses her age. He disses everything.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He invented a submarine and went to the deepest part of the ocean. Right. Can't he have some fans? Right. That's what he's into.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
She's going to go into a coma first, but yeah.
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So it's like, the movie just tells this unbelievable story that everybody wishes was their story.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
You just blew my fucking mind with that. Sorry. Oh, white doo-op groups. Yeah, it was a tough one.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
So that's the thing with her, is she is a fantastic actress, obviously. But when she turns it up to that point, like when she turns it up in the Carlo scene. The Bafangul? The Bafangul. The Bafangul, you. Oh, she's going to see a little whore! In two.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
And two, she's a different character, so it's pretty solid the whole way through. She never has to turn it up, but when she turns it up, sometimes it gets away from her.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He gives them the 500 bucks and you think he wants them.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Actually, I mean, I've already done this hottest take. I mean, this is the beginning of the greatest love story of our time.
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Rocky and Apollo. Oh, yeah, you did that. Yeah, Rocky goes on to... You almost caused a riot. Oh, yeah.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
It's kind of between Washington and New York. It was the World Series in the 83. Like legitimate boxing legends. Like no bullshit. Like fucking real. Yes. The biggest boxing icon. You're looking at me. Look at him. From Philly.
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‘Rocky’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Yeah, those guys are just too movie star-ish. Yeah.
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Oh, so yeah, because he didn't even want to, he wasn't even trying to act in movies, right? Yeah.
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I said, this is the business we've chosen. There's not even a statue of the man. The street named after him. The Rosado brothers. And then, uh, yeah, that's it.
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This must have been big in Boston.
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He's in a bunch of cool stuff.
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As soon as I saw Joe Spinell, I was like, he's clearly the one, but I guess, okay.
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Yeah, he would have definitely been, like, a more likable version.
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This is like a disgusting roast beef character. Yeah.
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Oh, so they just went in there all vibes.
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Something else, you, like Stallone actually cares a lot about boxing. And obviously- Everyone knows that. But as the movies get on, you can see that he gets, he becomes like a much more athletic, much better boxer.
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Spectrum is a cool place. Is it because of the Rocky movies that I have such a 70s, not 70s, I wasn't around, but an 80s and early life connection to The Spectrum when I didn't care about Philly Springs?
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Oh, no, it's easy. I can go one time, Lisa, anyway. But, wow, is it? It would have to be. I'm trying to think of like... It's a big step up. Also, the glasses are really ugly. I mean, there's like, she's all that. But this one would have to be bigger than those. But there's... There's another one.
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What a good question. I'm trying to think there's one that I'm missing and people are going to, it's one I'm missing where the guy takes it off and then this woman screams, but I can't remember that. This is probably the most famous though. Probably starts the whole deal.
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Like all big, doesn't have much of a presence other than, but like every single movie she's in is like, kind of like a hitter.
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I'm being for real. Like, look, I think there was a before and after. She climbs on him one time and she's doing a little, she's pecking at him.
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Yeah. Yeah. Women weaken the legs though is a classic, classic line. Yeah.
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No, not November. See if your knee swelling goes down. HBO Boxing.
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One of the most notable images of Philadelphia.
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Was there a better ice skating date? There is an ice skating date in Happy Gilmore. That's amazing. Oh, that's a good one. You're right. Cutting edge. Is that the figure skating date?
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Aesthetically, I think Raging Bull is a better film. Raging Bull is better than this movie, but this movie is like much more, I think, culturally significant than Raging Bull.
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Raging Bull is so funny to me, man. It's just, it's a hilarious movie. It's like, it's, it's just, why'd you fuck, why'd you fuck him? Why'd you do, she just said she didn't do it. Why are you asking her why? She just said she didn't do it.
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Huh. Scorsese handles all the Rocky, Pauly type, but then the bigger step back.
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It, If you first see Rocky III or IV, like I did as well, it's not even the same species of human that Rocky is. They have discovered the steroids by the time III and IV have come along. They don't even look the same. Rocky I is—those movies are action movies, essentially— Rocky III. Rocky III. Those are big action movies. It's really all about the physicality of the film.
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Yeah. He's on the fight. He's on the fight card. Hey, I'm Rocky Balboa. I'm fighting here tomorrow.
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No, it's not weird at all. You could go in there and fuck around with the ring and make sure that the ring is... Nobody's in there. Nobody's setting up anything. It's just completely empty.
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I just watched Macaulay take a fight in 10 hours. And they actually say that in the movie. They go, this guy, he goes, oh, he moved to California. He gained 50 pounds. So what? Bring him on and make the fight. I actually got the feeling that no one actually wanted to fight Creed. but five weeks is more than enough for 150 grand in 1976 Andrew Ruiz Jr.
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He gives him a string around his feet. I'm willing to have the combo. Apollo is a much better trainer than Mickey is. Yeah. Apollo is way better. Apollo actually transforms Rocky. He changes Rocky. Apollo is a much better trainer than Mickey is.
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He's like, what? My nit to pick is somebody would have gotten to Adrian before this. There's just no way. Oh. In the neighborhood, someone would have gotten to her before this. Fish store customer? Fish store customer.
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Somebody coming in to buy the dog or something like that. Somebody would have gotten to her before this.
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She starts dressing different. She does. The dick starts making her dress different. She has a red coat. I'm telling you, she totally changes her style.
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Of course, there's the character stuff in there, too. Crossed with a music video where it just moves from big sequence to big sequence. Right. This one, you got to give yourself some space with it. For a long time, I didn't enjoy it at all. The more I started to actually live life and understand... And got the understanding that life is a lot more like Rocky I than it is like Rocky III.
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I was about to say, HBO did a whole thing. It was called Sex and the Sweet Science.
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Where they did, like, HBO Boxing did it back in the day. It might have been Showtime Boxing.
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It was called Cat House. But they talked about it and they got science guys together and there's no scientific proof to it. Women do not, in fact, weaken legs.
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So what were the Tyson-Buster Douglas odds? Is this like 40 to 1?
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The movie just, it gained a lot of real estate with me.
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She's like, chapter five. Adrian's like, how about some tantric? Adrian, weaken the legs. Rock, lie this way.
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Don't let anyone tell you you're a bum. Be a thinker, not a stinker. Mine was, you'd be happier if you were just dumber. Rock is a dumb, happy character. Have you given up calling Ryan?
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It's fucking... He's a full-time screener, even with people he knows. It's unbelievable.
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You call Rosillo, and he... We could give him a heads up. We could text him and be like, hey, in about an hour, I'm going to call. That wasn't the idea. I know, I know. It's always like, he's always lived in ways... I would like to know what he thinks of this, though.
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Oh. I went Saturday Night Fever. Oh, I like it. This movie made me want to watch Saturday Night Fever for some reason. What about you?
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They're not going to let you do this very often. You're going to have to have such a serendipitous set of circumstances for them to let you write it, star in it when you're not bankable at all.
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Oh, I mean, he had Reservoir Dogs too. That's what I mean. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he had Lawrence Whitman and all of that.
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Hey, man, respect. Respect the pew-pew. It's pew-pew. We're going to start fucking over your shit, watch. Yeah. We start fucking over your shit. That's when you're going to take it seriously. Where did the pew-pew come from? Laser guns. I was like, yeah, because we're the Midnight Boys. We're like gunslingers. We're instant reaction. So we just shoot from the hip. Pew-pew.
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Maybe we'll do beep-beep for us here. Okay. For the rewatchables? See our beep-beep?
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Creed 2 was with the Russian. Yeah.
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We're probably too cynical for Rocky now. To me, looking at it like this, you're just going to ask so many questions. Like, why didn't he fight amateurs? Like a guy with 21 losses. Could you do a Rocky that was basically UFC?
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Adrian's Awakening. Adrian's Awakening. A new way to look at the Rocky series. I got it. A different movie where... What's the mafia guy named, Gato? Yeah. Yeah. where he actually hires Adrian to weaken Rocky's legs. Oh, so that it... So they're trying to have... Or maybe not him. Maybe Apollo hires Adrian. Her awakening is because Rocky needs his legs weakened in the movie. That's the second one.
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She's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she like, she laughs off. I thought only one guy sang doo-wop.
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I go three, four, one, five, two. Five over two. You hate two that much. I don't like two. I don't like two. Two is my least watched Rocky movie. But it's a really fun coming in 30 minutes left.
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To me, it's the least... original of the Rocky movies. Even 5 is original because Rocky has now fallen off of his perch. 4 is original Cold War stuff. 3 is the Rocky, the leap of the Rocky franchise. 2 is like a continuation of 1 and 1 is just superior.
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during the fight scene of course like that's the only time I've ever seen the movie theater some non-whites people going fucking crazy yeah like it was like they were at like a fucking Patriots game it was nuts in Boston they probably run out and harass them Jesus come on they probably run hey salty motherfucker we show you I knew I knew I should have brought up that story
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Those movies have a lot of style to them, too.
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You know, you got Cruel Summer and all of that stuff. This film is just devastatingly emotional. Yeah. You, like, it really makes you believe. How many times did you tear up? You know what's funny? Like, I really, I cried, literally cried when Rock is yelling at the door and Mick is walking away and he's talking about the fact that he's felt abandoned by him. Yeah. I'm right here.
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What about my time? And then just the, I hate the character. I've always hated this character. This character is my number one op in film history. Pauly. My number one op in film history.
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Yeah. But like the Pauly stuff, Pauly is just a more desperate version of Rocky because he can't even box.
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He's Rocky without the boxing. So he has nothing to take him out of his situation other than his proximity to this guy. That's pretty desperate.
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I was Rocky. Oh, you were Rocky. I was Rocky. I was like fighting the... Which one of your friends... Which one of your non-white friends... I was by myself.
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We're going to make you Apollo. Come here and put your face over here.
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First of all, everyone had to deliver to such a ridiculous level. The script is perfect. It's really well written.
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Can we just buy this guy a break? Is there a time, this is going to sound really whatever, but is there a time in a movie before this to where the old sports trope of... watching the guy talk about like Apollo's on TV. Yeah. And like Apollo's on TV and you're the first time you see, like you see, you see them talking about it. You see them talking about the fight and you're watching them on TV.
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They do that in sports movies like all the time.
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It's an interesting thing that he is the character that is... In this movie, utilizing race and capitalism. Right. All of that stuff against the everyman. The Italian stallion. Right. It's almost, it takes that, you know, there's a specific prism. Because he knows. Yeah.
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And then he's looking out the window talking, and she reaches to cup the back of his head, but then can't. It's like they're both able to convey something that is so specific to their characters, but feels like just a part of their harmony together. It's perfect.
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The reason that we have to do Before Midnight, though, is not only because, hot take, that's the best movie in the trilogy, but... Oh, my God.
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way to go luke wilson hell yeah because i mean they're all that category they're all perfect they're all perfect my favorite one genuinely is the one i happen to be watching at that moment but i i think i admire that one the most um and we need to do the pause so that we can talk about the moment when they go into the little byzantine church and she is like sorry am i not supposed to talk about uh blow jobs in a church and he's like yeah you you probably shouldn't and then she does this gotta do the movie just for that
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Criminal.
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That actually doesn't make sense.
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I booted it up on my television.
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I thought it was a fantastic pod about a beautiful movie. And I have been meaning to reach out to Sean to discuss with him how much of his commentary about Jesse was clearly about himself.
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Exactly.
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Raj was ready for Before Midnight. He gets it. Well, so far, they don't have to stick to the nine-year thing forever, right? That was nice, but.
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So my answer, honestly, is like a little complicated, which is genuinely whichever one I'm watching in real time is my favorite because they're all perfect. So like whichever one you're with, you're like, of course, this is the best one.
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I do too. The case for Sunrise, in addition to everything you guys talked about, is just it's the only one that exists in a vacuum. So that's like a special thing.
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A lot of like, boy, this is just a really cool, smart, interesting person who's tall and thin with brown hair and only when you get to know him do you realize how deeply insecure he is and desperate for your love.
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Did you watch the whole trilogy? No.
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Yeah, absolutely. You're racing against the clock just like they are.
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I think I agree. Like part of the beauty of the trilogy to me is just that you can age with them and you bring a different perspective to them when you revisit them. But the case for this, for me, the case for this one is the best is like building off the line from Sunrise. Like the answer must be in the attempt. Like this is about the attempt.
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Every movie, all three of them hinge on some sort of choice for them. But this is the one where they make the most active choice. Jesse wrote this book hoping Celine would find him. Celine went to the bookstore hoping that she would get to see him. They really chose to try to rediscover each other.
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You can only, I think, really understand that perspective if you're a little bit older and have some regrets.
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Running a nursery.
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This is so interesting. I feel like this is our version of the conversation in the bookshop about like it's a test for you whether you thought they showed up six months later. Like are you the romantic, the cynic, or undecided? Because like I definitely think that's true, but I also think you could view it the other way. It's like it can be affirming that you don't run out of runway.
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Like, you can make your way back to happiness.
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Oh yeah, I mean, how could you not be?
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Well, also, like the whole time he's talking to the reporters, he's waving his hand like you see a wedding ring. You don't know.
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Is he married to her? Like we do not yet know. I didn't even think of that.
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And so there's that second when you see her and she could just be like the proud wife who's there watching her husband.
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But the second you see his face and he's just like melting.
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And it's like This melding of heartache and euphoria because you realize that they have not been together, but also that they're there together again.
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It's amazing.
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Shakespeare and Company, incredible.
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Oh, my God. I love that part.
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Really tough start to the pod for you.
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Well, no, it just feels like another version of when he's like, you know, well, life's supposed to be hard. We have to suffer. How would we learn? It's like you just know that this is what he's been telling himself since she didn't show up at the platform.
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Oh, my God. Incredible.
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You just got to throw in like a corner crepe or two. Yeah.
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So good.
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No, for sure.
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Magical scene.
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Oh my God. Just from the jump, what do I think of this movie?
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That seems incredible.
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Well, it's something that people think about forever. That's one of the reasons that Before Sunset and the entire Before trilogy is, I think, so indelible and so important to so many people. It's like simultaneously an experience that you probably feel you've never really gotten to have, right? Will I ever feel that way about somebody ever? What would it be like to feel that specific spark?
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It's so sad because then he goes right into like, but there's no joy or laughter in my home.
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It's like, I don't want to get to 52 and finally have to like admit that this was all a pretense and I don't love my spouse.
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Very tough to hear. Very painful.
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But then he says that he's had sex 10 times in four years, so it's like he's doing great. Yeah.
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And then that's just like the most deeply human and relatable thing, second-guessing your decisions. Did you do the right thing? Do you wish you could have done something differently? Are you spending your life with the right person?
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It's incredible.
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Yeah. And again, it's just something about it that feels so true. If you have never written a love song for somebody you then thought about and yearned for for nine years, you can't relate to that part of it. But the like, she's so embarrassed. Right? She's so embarrassed. But she's also so good at it. That's the thing.
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Yeah, like, it's a very natural continuation of the car scene because there's this, like, unburdening. Yeah. I'm not just singing this. I'm finally singing this to the person it was about. I would pick the car ride as the most rewatchable scene and the best scene, but the single best moment in the movie... Other than, I guess, on the bench when she's like, what do you think of the word pussy?
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He's like, I love it! Other than that, is his face when she says his name.
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It's always great to be with you and share our passions together.
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It is unbelievable.
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Yeah, you do remember that, right? Unbelievable. Literally said you're going to wait.
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No, but she knows his now because of the book.
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That's the thing.
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For what's aged the best, I mean, everything, literally everything. Obviously, the two leads and their chemistry and their involvement in imbuing their own experiences into the story. I think for me, it's...
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Like, both the way that the movie is shot as a real time, we've got this 80-minute block until you're supposed to catch your flight, but also just in general, like, Linklater's interest in time, his fascination with time. This trilogy, Boyhood is one of my favorite movies. I absolutely love that movie. He's now attempting to do this with Merrily We Roll Along.
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Like, he's just obsessed with time and the way that they talk about time. And I love, like, Jesse at the book event at the opening. Yeah. When he's quoting Thomas Wolfe and saying, you know, we're all the sum of the moments of our lives. Like, each movie being a day, a part of a day, set nine years apart. It could have been ten, but it's not. Like, why is it nine instead of ten?
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It's just these little touches. Because they got the funding. Yeah. I mean, it's just... I love that part of it. And then the way that the time travel is in every movie in some way. You know, like when Jesse's pitching his next book, talking about the pop song and porting across time with this link in your life.
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And obviously the time traveler is a character who he invokes in the first film and won't spoil the return of the time traveler in the third movie, but plays a very crucial role, the idea of time travel in the third movie. So I just love the way they talk about time and the way that the movie engages with time and how it's made. I think my other big age the best is just the restraint.
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Like, they don't kiss in this movie. Forget fucking. The only time we see them kiss is in the flashback footage from Sunrise. And the hug, because of that, when she says, I want to try something and hugs him goodbye, like, I just want to sob watching it.
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Exactly. It's all about the longing.
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Very sad.
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I lived across the street, literally, a apartment building across the street from Ben Lindbergh before I knew him.
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It's perfect because they're always talking about little body parts. When he mentions the dream, he's like, I touched your ankle and your skin was so soft. She's like, you've got this line right here. It's like a scar. The red in your beard. It's these little pieces of each other.
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I wonder if that will have a bearing on the third film in the trilogy.
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Yeah.
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It's good.
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I've got some thoughts.
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You don't have to choose. There's enough room in your heart to love all animals.
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Got some questions about them.
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That's like literally my only opinion on the movie.
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Minor, minor.
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Yeah. It's like the only picking it on the entire movie.
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And he says it's 10 cities in 12 days.
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Which is crazy then when you consider it was only a 15-day shoot. They had to fucking nail every day.
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No, it's the rare, possibly only. Maybe I've said once before, no. I think no. It's perfect. The fact that you are experiencing the same desperate desire. It's the Sandlot need a better sex scene? I don't know if that category made it into the Sandlot pod.
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Oh, man. Yeah, you have to be in the same place as viewers that they are. You're just like consumed by your need. And then you leave and you wonder.
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Oh, my God.
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But didn't know his last name at that point.
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How many Jesses are in Texas?
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The pop song one?
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I liked it.
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It's a pre-order for me. No doubt.
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That part is a little weird. in the proud tradition of I'm an old woman and you're a 13 year old boy there is a little bit of oddness to it but this is again like a through line for Jesse you guys talked about like did Jesse invent YouTube and live streaming like the 24 hour program idea then he has this pitch for the whole book takes place in the span of a pop song across time
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You know, without getting into any of the particulars about where we find them in Before Midnight. There's like a seven-minute scene where he's ripping off, here's what my next book is going to be about. And everybody has their own. And the other guy's just like, this idea doesn't make sense. And even the way you are describing it is clearly not accurate. And Jesse's like, here's why it's great.
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And I'm like, I side with Jesse. This is just his thing.
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Before anyone could just tweet about it, so that's helpful.
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I don't know. Last night I was rewatching this and I asked Adam, what do you think the lesson of the movie is? And my husband said to me, we had a very sensible measured conversation. He's like, it's probably like try to find your first love again. And I was like, yeah, is it like it's like OK to cheat on your spouse?
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He thinks he wants that.
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Yeah, they're not in a good place. They're not in a good place. But they're in New York at that time. They're not in Chicago yet.
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It's entirely possible. I mean, I think this is a completely valid point. That is one of the things about the movie that it makes you complicit and kind of rooting for them to commit adultery.
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All of that will be dealt with in the third film, right? In a way that is very bold.
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All right, here's my hottest take. We haven't talked enough, obviously, about Che the Cat, but... It's time, and my take, I honestly don't know if this is very hot, this is a tepid take, Celine, who I love and is a very important character to me, terrible cat mom. Terrible cat mom.
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She is so boastful about the fact that she just deposits every morning this beautiful creature in the mean streets of Paris to fend for himself in the 100 degree weather. No. Terrible.
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Yeah.
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My cat sleeps in my arms in bed.
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He's thriving. Watch it.
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Careful. There is a line.
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Yeah, he was in My Waiters. 7.30 at the very latest.
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My Dan Waiters is the guy Chris just talked about, the bookstore manager.
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I think even though it's very appropriate that this takes place in her home city, it makes sense that that would be where they discovered each other again. I really do like the idea of it being in New York because it lends then even more heft to the which continent should we build our lives in question that will loom large later.
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If we had actually seen them, however briefly, in the States together, we would have had that measuring stick.
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What would that have been like? I don't really even understand that.
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Yes.
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That would have been my, like, this time capsule, you know, best, like, 2003 thing about it. Still clipping out, like, things from a newspaper or magazine and taping them to your wall.
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And very CR.
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No.
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Ratatouille. Amelie?
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Maybe.
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I'll get back to you when they make a sequel to past lives.
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Holy shit.
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Movies set in one day? There are a lot.
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Well, for couples.
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I think so, yes.
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You live their lives with them.
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I think if you apply it to the whole trilogy.
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So I don't think there's a... I enjoyed your discussion. I don't think there's a place for either of them in this film unless we got that alternate four-city version. You need other characters. There aren't other characters in the movie, though.
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It's not something that we can consider.
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I would go with Cruz.
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Yeah.
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It's gotta be Spielberg. I don't think you can consider Scorsese for the trilogy until Before Midnight. I considered it.
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It's got to be Philippe. Philippe the limo driver. How's the cheating, Jesse? How's the cheating?
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Oh, Connelly, Jennifer Connelly.
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Okay, I'm going to do, did this movie have a porn parody? Oh. And are you surprised?
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So I don't actually know the answer to the question. I assume it's no. I didn't want to Google that on my work computer. But I think we should discuss if it could have been. You just started doing this a few moments ago very organically, Chris. I would like to nominate as the title Before Cum Set.
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Yeah. And this is Before Come Set. The days and days and days of fucking.
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What does that mean? It's like the crusty, befouled surfaces of the apartment after they close the blinds and they fuck for 10 days and sweet little Che has to just wade through secretions to get to his food bowl.
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Yeah, sure.
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Well, in Argentinian, it means hope, I believe. Is that what she said? Yeah, because Jesse's like, you're a commie.
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You think Wayne spends a lot of time in Paris? Yeah. Yeah. Really cultured guy. Loves to travel. You're not doing Romo? Jimmy's going to miss that plane.
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I think so.
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Here's the argument. It's Linklater for Sunrise, Delpy for Sunset, Hawk for Midnight. And they each get one.
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Hawk's performance in Midnight is unrivaled.
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No, I think he waits to share the lie.
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No, he's there for days and days and days.
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Yeah, they extended the tour. It's some lie. Then he goes home and he's like, I... have had an incredible amount of sex with the love of my life. We're done.
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We're done. We're done.
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Yeah, those were his contributions to the script.
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This is one of my huge ones.
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Should we all bring our spouses to the Before Midnight pod?
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Do you think he understands English at all?
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Because there is actually, it's sort of like a little disturbing when like this woman is in the back of his car begging him to let her out. She's speaking French, obviously. But like, yeah, how long does he wait? Like you said, before he goes and pursues Jesse and tries to figure out if he's going to be able to fulfill his mission. A lot of Philippe questions here.
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Nope, she takes her health very seriously. Remember? That was part of her lie about, I mean, that part was probably true, but when she's lying about remembering having sex, she's like, I take my health very seriously. Unanswerable question. Jesse, you think he's a BookTok star today? You think he'd just be crushing it on BookTok, writing romance novels?
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I think Jesse would be huge on BookTok today, and I wish he had gotten to live in this time.
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BookTok? Oh, boy.
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BookTok is a subset of TikTok that is about books.
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I'm not on TikTok. It's big for romanticism in particular. And as you know, Jesse writes romance novels and likes to incorporate some fantasy elements into his stories. Yeah.
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Do you guys think that Jesse insisted on Paris being the last stop on the book tour? We all agree that it's a picking date that he would have a European tour. I like that. But was he like, Paris has to be last place?
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He somehow got a 10-city European tour, so maybe.
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She's definitely wounded when he's like, yeah, I was here last night.
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So, okay, let's build on this and it gets to the questions you were asking earlier, another unanswerable, if he had not had a stop in Paris. Because she says, I saw the event. This is my favorite bookstore. I come here, I saw your face, I saw the event. Easy enough to go. But she also says, I read about your book. Yes. Seemed vaguely, strangely familiar. She read the book. She read it twice.
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Just enraptured. If he had not come to Paris, would she then have gone to find him? Because she knows for sure who he is, where he is. She's been reading about him, reading about the book.
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She's got a little clipping.
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But what did she Google?
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This is the thing. They didn't exchange phone numbers. They don't actually know that much about each other.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yes. It's 1994. They talk about it in the- Yeah, he says he remembers the brand of the condom. Yeah.
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Has them in his wallet, has them in his pocket. Stop to pick them up. As soon as they leave the bar, he's like, you already gave me a free bottle of wine. Give me some condoms. He got them. Condoms in the wallet.
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Terrible. Deeply sad.
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What kind of, like, was Jesse carrying like a Magnum so that people were impressed? Was he carrying like a ribbed for her pleasure? Yeah. What kind of condom do you think Jesse was carrying?
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I don't think I would have liked it, actually. That's one degree too, like, through the looking glass.
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Right, but Before Sunrise is a beautiful title, and so it feels appropriate.
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He should have done heart to heart. But then he writes that time.
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Really good.
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Yeah, that's mine as well.
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No, I would pick Before Sunrise to pair with this.
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The only thing I'd pair Before Midnight with is My Sadness.
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If I had to pick, I would pick her.
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But it hinges just as much on his face as he's listening to it. It's tough. You almost can't pick.
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It has to be both of them.
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32?
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But you did not watch the third one.
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You don't know where it's headed. I'm happy now. You don't know where it's headed.
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You have to watch it.
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What?
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I actually... Can I answer that or is it getting into too many spoilery territory? I think there is a take.
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I kind of think you, I think there's something comforting about it, actually.
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You have to watch the third one. It's a masterpiece.
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Well, it's like the sensation that you were describing of the anxiety you brought to...
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the encounter yeah of seeing the film like there's a very meta quality to that you know you watch before sunrise and it is for us as viewers what they are for each other it's this like magical moment in time and then you think about it and you long for it and you wonder if anything else can ever really live up to it or match it and then of course you would be nervous but
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In the first moments of, like, that return. I mean, structurally, the way that the entire movie is just basically when you remove the opening and end credits, it's a 75-minute conversation that takes place over a handful of locations. And it's... All three of the movies are very talky. But this one is particularly talky. And that feels so perfect because, like...
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They're all really true to life, but that aspect just feels like if you spent nine years thinking about whether you would see this person again and then you did. I love when they start debating the state of the world. And it's like, guys, you don't have time for this. You need to figure out if you're supposed to be together. But of course that's what you would do.
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Both because you're sort of trying to like delay and evade the where the fuck were you that Jesse finally builds up the courage to say out loud.
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Yeah, they're inching toward the thing they've been waiting to say to each other for nine years. And that just feels very true to what the experience would be.
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She's talking about them, in this point in her life, less as gifts than as robberies. She feels bereft of something that she has given another person and then no longer has.
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Obviously, specifically with Jessie, one of the really heart-wrenching moments of the movie is when she says, basically, I had this life-altering night with you, and then you took everything with you, and I didn't have it anymore, right?
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The way that she speaks in general, I mean, obviously, you guys, I thought, did a beautiful job in the first pod of talking about how they are this idea of, like, are you a romantic or are you a cynic? Really, they're both both.
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And part of what makes the trilogy this great treatise on love and, like, evolution inside of a relationship is they move across the movies, but they move inside of the movies as well. And so when she's talking about how she... would prefer to be alone because like that's actually better than being lonely with somebody you've chosen to share your life with.
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Yeah. And right. So of course he understands that keenly, but he's also like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. You just said you can love and you want to be loved. She's like, right. And that's actually why I'm pissed because you made me remember that I used to feel that way.
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Like the beauty and the devastation of that are inextricable from each other.
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I mean, she's an all-timer. She is an absolute all-timer. Like, just a queen and an icon. Everything that she does in all three of the films is perfect. I know I'm not really supposed to talk about the third movie, but I think I'll find that really challenging.
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I mean, she's the best. And like part of the reason that they are so well matched is because they are like both utterly distinct, but also share this unique blend of like humanity. humor and charm and doubt and yearning, like the yearning that they're both, it's just emanating off of them in waves and ripples. It's like almost unbearable.
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I was so glad that you two both picked the listening booth as the most rewatchable scene because that is like genuinely maybe my favorite movie scene ever.
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Like period. And the way that they're looking at each other and looking away from each other and how you can feel this like crackling desire. Yeah. When you port ahead nine years to this movie and they're in the car together and you have the evolution of that... When she's about to touch his hair. He turns to try to touch her hair, but then can't.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You were still here.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. The janitor. Just start Jason Statham.
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Like, he could do it.
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I'm fine with Jimmy Flynn. We're doing that.
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Is that true?
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Yeah.
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What was that?
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Nice.
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Wait, are you Maz?
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Jem's more fun.
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I can see it.
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91.
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Yeah.
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Chris Ryan.