Chris Ryan

So, okay.

But yeah, I think I had... The last time we talked about euphoria, I had sounded the alarm that... Or maybe when I was kind of monologuing about it, at which point I... On the podcast or in your life?

On the podcast where I mistakenly said that Jesus Christ saw the burning bush and not Moses, which goes to show you what Quaker education does for your biblical studies.

I...

I just thought that the crime stuff was starting to reach its... It was getting a little high up in the atmosphere and losing oxygen, and I think this has been proven true.

Like, bringing together Alamo, Nas, Nate, Maddie, Cassie, and by extension, Rue and the Lori stuff...

I just think it's just like he has to do that to end the show, but it just didn't feel as graceful as some of the other moments of this series has for me.

I mean, the Alamo origin story, too.

I'm sure you... I know that you were, like, probably rolling your eyes a little bit at that, but I thought that had energy, and I thought it had POV.

It had, like... It had juice.

Well, and then you get to the Nate part, which is just, like...

I suppose on one hand, I can make a defense for it where it's like, you know what?

There is no such thing as character armor on the show or plot armor or whatever the term is.

But just because it's Jacob Elordi doesn't mean that he's going to escape from a burial.

You know, that was a...

one of those character arcs that makes you, frankly, wonder what the relationship between the creator and the performer is.

Because he doesn't really have a lot to do other than get mutilated this season, and then he dies.

And, like, you could say... So was this justice?

But that's the thing, is that as Rue and Ollie talk about redemption and, you know, how do you feel about, like, the fentanyl you've brought over has killed people and what is salvation and redemption in the eyes of that?

Like, you know, obviously Nate...