Chris Ryan

The movie part of it, like the more traditional conventional stuff, I thought was like a little less...

unique or a little less fully realized, but that didn't wind up diminishing my appreciation for the movie itself.

Yeah, what did you think?

I just think even the concept of like him having a therapist is like incredible.

economical for communicating the interior lives of the two main characters.

That's what I was going to ask.

I've been watching these, Curry Barker, you had a great interview with Curry Barker for Obsession, and his description of using these 3D imaging apps that you can use on your phone to essentially design a set, put...

animated actors in it to do your blocking, film it with a virtual camera, and then cut it so that you can basically, a la Hitchcock, be like, all we're doing is doing exactly what's on this piece of paper today.

Not only is that efficient, but that also allows you to really think through

the rhythm of the movie, the look of the movie, the feel of the movie.

And I know that Parsons is obviously like really, I mean, those early Backrooms videos are essentially animated, aren't they?

So just to see somebody who's like bringing this technology along in a way that isn't Big Jim style, where it's like only a few people have access to the Peter Jackson toy box, like this is sort of like what I thought was going to happen when Sean Baker and Steven Soderbergh were like, we make movies on iPhones now.

Right.

But now it's like happening.

Now it's like, oh, you could do this with like open source software and an iPhone.

You could make something with your friends.

Very cool experience over the weekend.

I mean, I think on, I'm sure you guys, you guys do do this and me and Andy do this on the watch where we sort of bemoan the death of monoculture and the idea that there is like this thing that everyone is experiencing at the same time and having the same conversation or about or different conversations, but a conversation about.

And I was hanging out with my wife's girlfriend.

best friends daughters this weekend and they were so excited for Backrooms like they're all teenagers and first of all you look at the numbers on these videos and you're talking 15 50 million you know like millions and millions of people have watched this and they were so invested in it as an idea