Chris Ryan

It taps into a feeling of playing video games.

It taps into a feeling of certain levels of video games where it's very puzzle-oriented or the entire point is that you're lost in a maze.

But it also taps into a childlike thing where you're like... That weird experience of like you're... The amount of time it takes to get somewhere is always slower than the amount of time it takes to get back sometimes.

So you know what I mean?

Once you know the route, you're like, oh, it's not that bad.

But the first time you make a walk through the park, you're like...

did I make a wrong turn somewhere here or whatever?

And it gets at some like really innate kind of childlike wonder at these things and childlike fears too, I think.

No, it's all amygdala, as they say.

It's the smell of spices in the air.

Why aren't you listening to her?

What's in your back room?

I think it looks like a pizza hut.

Okay.

Yeah.

I really find the lighting in those to be really pleasing.

There's a bar in Boston called Anchovies that mimics it.

Sure.

I've been there with you.

Yeah.