Chris Ryan

Because it's about a scrappy group of underdogs figuring out how to exploit the margins and the loopholes.

Oh, a jigsaw puzzle movie.

How do we put together the puzzle?

But it's also like Plan C is the whole like, it's basically Billy Bean.

You know, it's like, well, we can't beat them just straight up, so we have to do all this other stuff to beat them in the action.

Pitt has that great speech about

I think the thing with Brad Pitt… Would people throw him out second after Cruise?

No, I think Leo would go second.

I think Brad Pitt works more than those guys, it seems like.

He's had more misses.

Yeah.

And he takes more swings and he produces more stuff.

And I think he also has kind of settled into now, finally, like, Paul Newman, Color of Money era.

Like, maybe a little younger than Paul Newman was at that point.

But he's starting to embrace…

the idea of being like, this is the Twilight part of my career, and the roles are really great because of that.

What do you think, Van?

Yeah, the big difference between him and Cruise 2 is that he never picked a character that he played for more than a couple movies.

Yeah, it's hard to tell whether or not it's the movie industry that changes or the actor that changes.

And maybe Brad Pitt was, like, the kinds of movies I could lead.