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How likely is the government to come to the table here, given the fierce opposition I'm assuming a lot of these companies would have?

To play devil's advocate, though, everything you've described has been quite sinister and...

by all objective accounts sounds evil.

But that also sounds like a quite effective and efficient software that's achieving what it's set out to do.

If it's setting out to do mass surveillance and this idea of siphoning information and understanding people and painting a picture of people, Palantir does a good job.

And from the way I've understood it, they haven't been subject to security breaches and the information that they do hold while in hands of people that we might not like it to be is quite secure.

If we were to push people off and companies off Palantir, aren't we pushing them into other services that we don't know?

And essentially what I'm saying to you, isn't it better to be working with the devil that we know than the devil that we don't?

So is the suggestion to better fund the public service, for example, would you like to be seeing Australian citizens carrying this out?

Senator Shoebridge, thank you so much for joining us on The Briefing again.

That was the Greens' spokesperson for Defence and Home Affairs, Senator David Shoebridge, speaking with me there.

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