Chris Williamson

But we're here.

Joe, you don't understand.

We're trying to be inclusive here.

We're trying to be understanding of what's going on with these people.

If someone was to say that a male athlete has no advantage in a sporting competition, because, Joe, we're trying to be inclusive.

We're trying to be empathetic.

We care about these people.

Well, even if that's done at the exclusion of female athletes, right?

People are prepared to show...

They're prepared to do whatever is needed to appear good.

Yes.

And the alternative, which it makes complete sense, who wants to do good while looking bad?

Right.

The thing you're saying is so important.

They will sacrifice everything to appear that they're doing good.

Because that's really what they're worried about.

And that is all stemming, at least in part, I should say not stemming, but certainly accentuated by the social media world that we're living in now.

Because everyone has this opportunity to appear like they're something other than they are.

They're using filters.

They're standing in front of a leased car.