Christiana

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What Now? with Trevor Noah · The Ozempic Obsession with Jia Tolentino (ARCHIVE EPISODE) · 2 Jan 2025 podcast

Yeah, I think it's like the latter, right? And I think even if we were in this utopia where we accepted everyone's bodies, like I think The Economist did a piece about talking about the fact that like women's salaries are pegged to what they weigh. Yes. And if you lose a certain amount of weight, your salary goes up.

So it's just like the market forces for whatever reason, we know the reasons, reward being skinny. And by the way, did you see the opposite is true for men?

Yeah. And I think for women, it's always going to be, you are judged. That connection between morality and beauty and health. I think people just collapse it into one. They don't see them as different things. Even if they use a language like, don't you want to be healthy? But they're saying to someone, don't you want to lose weight?

And I think it's going to be harder for women to escape that, unfortunately.

Yeah.

Compulsive shopping? Yeah. I read about that. Someone who stopped them compulsive shopping.

Yeah. We don't judge gambling or drinking or online shopping in the same way that we do weight. So that was what the person was fixated on. I got on Ozempic to lose weight. But they discovered all these other parts of themselves. They were awakened to like, I actually spend too much money. Like a woman said she was going through Target and she wasn't putting things in her cart. Yes.

This is what I mean. In the same way. And I found that so interesting. We don't see like excessive shopping the same way we see excessive eating. And I think that's the most interesting part of the drug.

I think my slight pushback to that is like being a Brit in America is that it's actually very hard to have a regulated relationship with the pleasure of food when there are very few pleasures. So food is like a very easy and cheap pleasure. I think that's okay if you're in a country where there's a park down the road, I can play tennis for free.

It's just like you get pleasure and that humanity everywhere. It is like one of the dopamine hits. But in this country, I feel like food and alcohol are the only cheap, accessible pleasures. But if we were in a more...

Also, this isn't unique to America. I don't want to, because, like, England, like, is pretty tough right now. So we're seeing similar things there, too.

Yeah, I think, Trevor, what you're getting at is that we've always thought all of these things are just a question of willpower. Yeah. Yes, and responsibility. And gee, I think your piece touches on that as well. It's not about, it's not willpower. Like the system is basically working against all of us and some of us are able to resist better than others. And resist some of it, by the way.

And some of it, but I think it's caught all of us in a way.

Also, I think, Gia, just to hop in, it's like we're talking about a Zen pick so much because people lose weight and we think losing weight is the better thing to do. And now it means that there'll be a class of people that can do that and not have to go through the cruelty of fat phobia. And it's going to be the people with money that can perhaps escape that everyday cruelty.

And then the people that don't can't do that.

Do you know what I mean? You know, not to speak on behalf of fat people or fat women at all, but I think there's such... So little imagery of women that had perhaps Adele's old body or Jennifer Hudson's old body. There was something very comforting for people to see a fat woman who's thriving and have this incredible career.

And there's like this disappointment or resentment when that celebrity then changes their body. I speculate some of that.

I just wanted to throw Tressie in. Oh, definitely. Tressing Macmillan Cottom.

brilliant sociologist she talks about structural ugliness right this yeah the thing about like how beauty is like this structural concept and like even though you can feel beautiful on an individual level structurally if you are dark skinned fat and right you're seen as ugly and i think what a zen pic is getting at is just like it's this cure to that structural ugliness of weight

That's interesting. And that's what a lot of thinkers are trying to resist, that, like, why have we made being bigger structurally ugly?

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