Christoph Schumacher

There are people who do need our help and who are disadvantaged.

The challenge will be to differentiate those people from others who benefit but wouldn't really need to.

And the danger by withdrawing this welfare support, because people who might actually generally need it might now miss out.

That is not an easy path to go for a government, but sometimes they are forced to.

Simply, there's no other options.

I'm sure a government would always like to look after its people and provide some financial support when times are tough.

Just as much as we would like to, for example, help our kids, if you can, if we are struggling just to pay the mortgage and that might not be possible.

There's the difference in what the government might like to do, but simply what it is able to do.

And as you said, they flagged it ahead of time.

I think from a government perspective, we need to tackle that productivity issue.

We need to tap into the Kiwi ingenuity, and we just need to find some form of strategy to make it not coincidental if somebody gets it, but have a bit more behind it.

We need to figure out why our businesses sometimes struggle, and that has a lot to do with compliance, New Zealand's compliance cost.

are unbelievably high.

We also haven't maybe put as much emphasis on the whole management idea in international rankings.

The management qualities of museums don't rank as highly as they possibly could.

And that has possibly something to do with the fact that New Zealanders are used to be a jack of all trades.

If you run your business, you do a bit of this, you do a bit of that, and you think, oh, I can do that as well.

Not realizing that we do believe in specializations.

There might be people who focus on a specific area and get really good at it, but we tend to not quite believe in that.

We sort of, I can do that myself kind of thing.