Christoph Schumacher

and i think the challenge for new zealand is being so far away we need to attract people wanting to work here for the lifestyle because this is what new zealand has to offer and especially in that digital age people don't need to be in the center where everything happens you can work from other countries so the challenge will be to make new zealand an attractive enough place to be so that people come here and work from here and develop things rather than

I'm with you on that one.

I'm also a bit skeptical.

I wouldn't call it over.

And every time you check the news, President Trump has said something else first.

There's a deal.

Now there's no deal.

And we've seen it over the past.

You can't trust those messages.

So I'll be careful.

So I don't see the issue being resolved that quickly.

And even if it were resolved, we still see the full-on effects trickling through.

I don't think that issue will be fixed.

Yes, I believe we live in more uncertain times than probably ever before.

I mean, and if it wasn't the old crisis, then there were these punitive tariffs that were suddenly coming out of the US and then the European Union retaliating.

All these things impact on us.

While we have seen a big drive for globalization for a long, long time, it now almost feels like we are going back from that.

Countries have started to be more protective.

tariffs are a sign of this and when the us starts to impose there is left right and center then other countries will follow uh simply in retaliation so there might be a trend going less global and then more uh focusing on on on yourself and that seems to be the new normal

So, yes, I think we simply need to get used to this because six months ago, we were suddenly wondering about the tariffs.