Christopher Luxon

We spend money on infrastructure, but we get a very poor return on it.

And only if you bring it into even government, how does KO build houses that are 15% more expensive in the market?

How do we have $1.2 million classrooms that actually when you standardise them, you get the cost down half and you can do twice as many classrooms?

So I think part of the RMA reforms is all about that.

Getting rid of regional councils is all part of that.

We have to get much better and more strategic about our infrastructure planning.

Well, you've got to say it because if we just leave things as the way they are and keep doing things the way we've always done them, we'll keep getting the same results.

And so, yeah, part of the reason I've come to politics is because you do believe this country can be innately better.

There are aspects of the way that Singapore approach infrastructure planning.

You've seen us try that here with housing in Auckland with a 30-year vision and a plan of where that growth should go to.

And I get it's a difficult conversation because it's one we haven't had before, but we've got to have them.

So I think you've got to keep pushing and making the case for it.

But on the fuel stuff, I'd push back on that.

I mean, we got organized early.

We are actually working well with industry.

I don't know if you saw the poll.

This was Horizon, right?

Correct.

They're in a COVID frame of mind where the cash bazooka was sprayed around, the credit card was maxed out, the rainy day fund is gone, and the banks are telling us, hey, listen, with credit rating watches, you need to be careful here.

And so we have to be careful here.