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That's right.

And if not, then you're just going to be cursed to wander the earth, pretty upset, harassing people, possessing people.

And here's the thing.

If you lived in rural China back then and you were a rural peasant, you probably died pretty close to home because you didn't travel that much.

So it wasn't that big of a deal.

But occasionally you might find yourself away from home and you need to get walked back.

And this is a tradition that dates back to like 1616 and continued into the 20th century.

Yeah, for days, weeks, months, depending on how far away they were from home, the priests would carry a lantern that was a light both day and night, although they would usually do this at night because, as we'll see, it was very bad luck for residents of villages that they would go through to see this kind of thing happening.

So eventually they would have people, runners out in front even saying like, hey, we got a corpse coming.

I think they were banging a gong.

To kind of warn everybody, the corpse is behind the priest, like we said, very, very tall, dressed in a black robe, and just following the directions of the priest saying, yo-ho, yo-ho.

You know, it's just so the corpse knew which way to go, go.

Yeah, that's right.

I'm going to take a quick moment, since you mentioned cat, to tell people who have not yet seen that I have a new kitten that I think we're going to keep now.

And it's all on my Instagram at Chuck the Podcaster, the storyofolivia.com.

being rescued from the undercarriage of a car and very sick with worms and bacterium and seemingly near death and had her little butthole stitched shut and then unstitched.

It was quite a ride.

We thought we were going to lose her.

Then we nursed her back to health.

We thought there's no way we can keep her because our dog Gibson has no chill.

And it turns out they are in love.

It's wonderful.

So the other two cats are going to hate this.

But as I said on Instagram, they can get bent because I think Olivia is staying.

And she's very cute.

And you can go check out the story.

It's been wildly popular on my Instagram.

That's right.

But Olivia was not a black cat.

And since I took so much time with that story, maybe we should take a break and finish up with Corpse Walkers.

Yeah.

There were more priests involved because there were more corpses.

So you had, like, you know, a priest up front, a priest in the back, maybe a couple of priests on the sides.

I think this is when we talk about the runner being out front.

I think this is when they had their runners that would warn the townsfolk that they were coming.

And the way it's described—

Uh, sounds to me like, have you ever seen at a, at a, like an NBA game, they'll have somebody come out at halftime and it's like a guy that's dancing, like, um, like, you know, some popular performer, but he's got, uh, uh,

like a curtain rod running through his outfit on the top and attach them at the bottom.

And there are fake, you know, dummies of people and every movement he's making with the rods, they're making an exact same time.

So it appears as if there's like five people dancing in synchronicity.

So you know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, definitely.

Is that what this is sort of like?

Because that's how I pictured it.

A cat would be more likely to eat the nose off of that person.

Yeah.

What really was going on, and it was really going on, like you said, is there was a Taoist priest.

And Louise Hung even said, hey, I'm not even sure all these people were Taoist priests.

I think they might have just been doing the job and kind of saying that.

You're doing great.

But in the case of the solo corpse walker, it would be a Taoist priest carrying a corpse on their back.

With a bamboo pole stuck up the back to hold them upright as if they are alive and a big black robe draped over both of them.

Kind of like the old bit with someone on your shoulders and a big long trench coat.

Okay.

Well, I'm glad I didn't spoil that because people were probably just very confused about what I was talking about.

But, yeah, it sounds like they are all tied to the pole, and the pole kind of runs under their arms.

And that's what kind of made me think of the dancer.

I should get one of those systems.

I'm sure you can buy those, right?

That'd be a fun Halloween getup.

I already have my outfit.

I don't have the outfit, but I have my idea this year, so I can't do it this year, but I can probably do it next year.

Yeah, if you saw The Righteous Gemstones, I'm going to be Baby Billy, Walton Goggins' brilliant character.

Halloween in 1978.

And I'll even throw Scream had a sort of version of this with Drew Barrymore, but not exactly Coming from Inside the House.

I'll check it out.

Yeah, definitely more sinister because the, you know, it's been in quite a few movies we're going to talk about in different iterations.

But the babysitter would usually like, I don't know, put them off or not believe it or whatever.

Say, you know, is this Johnny?

Is this my boyfriend?

Then hang up.

Then the caller calls back.

The caller calls back again.

It's usually a few times.

And eventually the babysitter is going to call the police.

They're going to say, ma'am, we're going to put a trace on the call.

She's going to say, you don't have to call me ma'am.

I'm 13 years old.

And they say, well, that's just how we say things.

And then the stranger calls.

The police trace the call and then call back and say, you've got to get out of there.

The call is coming from inside the house.

I know it's genuinely scary to think about, obviously.

And then once she is out, the cops show up.

And the prowler has murdered those kids upstairs already.

Yeah.

And you know what?

I remember hearing these stories like around the campfire kind of thing, and it terrified me.

And it never dawned on me that that was a near impossibility.

I don't remember hearing any of those, but I do know they existed because you sent them to me.

Yeah, and it goes along with some of the great scary legends of the day like The Hook.

The Vanishing Hitchhiker was another one.

I remember Drip Drop Maniac.

Do you remember that one?

No.

Drip Drop Maniac was some version of a thing where there's like a German shepherd that sleeps under the bed that, you know, the kid was scared.

And the reason and the way they would not be scared is they would put their hand down and the German shepherd would lick their hand.

And so I'm sure you see what's coming.

It turns out the German shepherd, they hear drip, drip, drip, and the German shepherd is like killed and dripping blood on the floor.

And the person, there was a dude under the bed licking the person's hand.

Yeah.

Yeah, terrifying.

You're never going to hang your hand off the side of the bed again, are you?

Okay.

Yeah, we'll be right back.

That's right.

No, we're not.

I'm still laughing, by the way.

You got to be under the sheets and stuff still?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I got over that at some point.

I used to be like that well into even my 30s.

Trigger warning on this one, by the way.

I think I was probably in my 30s or 40s when I was finally like, you know what?

I'm a hot sleeper.

I'm just going to brave whatever's out there and sleep on top of the sheets.

Good for you, man.

Yeah.

There's some pretty violent content, including speak of sexual assault at some point.

Oh, sure.

No, I'm with you.

If it's something like that and I'm truly scared by a movie and I'm up late by myself, the getting back to the bed scene is truly ridiculous for a 54 year old man.

Yeah, I used to scare people like that on occasion.

And I finally learned that that's just not cool to do.

Oh, gosh.

Do we have time?

Yes.

Very quickly in college after we saw the movie Misery, my roommates and I at the Dollar Theater, the Alps Theater in Athens, Georgia.

Oh, yeah.

We had ridden separately, and my one roommate and I, Chris, raced home, and he was a real sick twist.

And he was like, let's scare Eddie.

You know Eddie.

Because Eddie was right behind us.

And Chris went home and unscrewed all the light bulbs in the main room.

It really does.

And we hid in the closet, and Eddie came in.

Turn on the lights.

No lights came on.

And he was like, yeah, you guys are pretty funny.

And smartly turned on the television to provide some light.

And we're talking about the sort of trope of the call is coming from inside the house.

And you know how when you're like hiding in a closet and it's just barely cracked, you see people kind of looking in at you, but they're not focused on you because they can't see you.

That was Eddie.

He was coming closer and closer and we jumped out of the closet and got him pretty good.

I think he knocked a frame picture off the wall and broke it.

And as a trope, we want to thank TVTropes.com, Tropedia, and a really good article from Chrissy Stockton on Thought Catalog.

Poor guy.

That feels so bad for you.

That is not, certainly not something a dad should do to their kid.

All right, so we're back, and we're going to tell possibly what inspired this real story.

I got this particular version from Chrissy Stockton that I mentioned from Thought Catalog, but I looked it up, and it was in plenty of other places.

This is where it turns pretty dark.

Yeah, it goes very dark.

So if you have kids listening, they may want to tune out.

In the 1950s, in fact, March of 1950, there was a young 13-year-old named Janet Chrisman hired to babysit a three-year-old for the Romacks, Mr. Gregory Romack and his wife.

I, you know, just like with our live show, I couldn't find his wife's name because they didn't print stuff like that back then.

But she decided to babysit rather than go to a school party.

At 7.30, she got to their house.

It was in Columbia, Missouri.

And before they left for the night, Mr. Romack said, hey, by the way, see this shotgun?

I've got this shotgun, and it's loaded, and here's how you shoot it.

Yeah, I guess, I mean, 1950 is going to 1950.

Right.

That's right.

And Principal Seymour Skinner.

That's right.

The Romacks called the house about 30 minutes later, but no one answered.

And I guess they didn't sweat it because they didn't show up until 1.30 in the morning.

They weren't like, we should rush home.

They opened the front door to find a pretty nasty, grisly murder scene.

Janet was dead there in a pool of blood.

She had been sexually assaulted and strangled to death.

And it appears that she had struggled with her attacker.

There was no shotgunning, obviously.

But that porch light was on, which makes it even sadder.

Yeah, for sure.

The other detail I didn't mention was that the phone had been ripped from the wall.

So that would explain when she shouted come quick and the line went dead.

It seems that, you know, that was when the phone was ripped away from the wall, possibly by Robert Mueller, although nobody was ever tied to her death officially.

No one was ever arrested as far as I know.

No, but supposedly that is the story that inspired The Call is Coming from the House or at the very least inspired When a Stranger Calls was probably the most famous use of The Call is Coming from Inside the House from 1979.

Also Black Christmas, a great, great horror movie.

Yes.

Yeah.

If you're with me, you're golden.

I'll take care of you.

I'm going to be with you.

Oh, yeah.

Huh.

I think they were bumming around before college.

Yeah.

Oh, baby.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Oh, wow.

Oh, yeah.

So she was out.

Yeah, for sure.

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Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Can you now?

It may have been E's and T's.

I'm not sure.

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Yeah, they were like, we did a pyramid scheme. We're good at selling things that don't exist. So they enlisted a little bit of help. They got Chris's brother, John Haney, on the team. And then a guy named Ed Warner, who was a friend, who's a corporate attorney. And they formed the Horn Abbott Company. Haney's nickname was the Horn.

Yeah, they were like, we did a pyramid scheme. We're good at selling things that don't exist. So they enlisted a little bit of help. They got Chris's brother, John Haney, on the team. And then a guy named Ed Warner, who was a friend, who's a corporate attorney. And they formed the Horn Abbott Company. Haney's nickname was the Horn.

Yeah, they were like, we did a pyramid scheme. We're good at selling things that don't exist. So they enlisted a little bit of help. They got Chris's brother, John Haney, on the team. And then a guy named Ed Warner, who was a friend, who's a corporate attorney. And they formed the Horn Abbott Company. Haney's nickname was the Horn.

And Abbott, in this case with one T, was just a variation on Abbott's two-T name. And they started selling equity to raise a little money through friends and family. So they sold 40 shares at $1,000 each to 32 friends and family members. And, boy, you want to talk about an investment that paid off.

And Abbott, in this case with one T, was just a variation on Abbott's two-T name. And they started selling equity to raise a little money through friends and family. So they sold 40 shares at $1,000 each to 32 friends and family members. And, boy, you want to talk about an investment that paid off.

And Abbott, in this case with one T, was just a variation on Abbott's two-T name. And they started selling equity to raise a little money through friends and family. So they sold 40 shares at $1,000 each to 32 friends and family members. And, boy, you want to talk about an investment that paid off.

Wow. Can you imagine? It'd be like one of the early like Apple stock or Google stock.

Wow. Can you imagine? It'd be like one of the early like Apple stock or Google stock.

Wow. Can you imagine? It'd be like one of the early like Apple stock or Google stock.

That's just amazing.

That's just amazing.

That's just amazing.

Yeah. So they managed to raise $40,000. They got a $75,000 line of credit from a bank. And that was enough dough to start getting this game together in earnest. The one thing they didn't have, they had design. They had it kind of all ready to go. They needed 6,000 questions. And so I assume with some of that. What is that like close to 120 grand?

Yeah. So they managed to raise $40,000. They got a $75,000 line of credit from a bank. And that was enough dough to start getting this game together in earnest. The one thing they didn't have, they had design. They had it kind of all ready to go. They needed 6,000 questions. And so I assume with some of that. What is that like close to 120 grand?

Yeah. So they managed to raise $40,000. They got a $75,000 line of credit from a bank. And that was enough dough to start getting this game together in earnest. The one thing they didn't have, they had design. They had it kind of all ready to go. They needed 6,000 questions. And so I assume with some of that. What is that like close to 120 grand?

They went to Spain in 1981 and they said, we're going to go drink beer on the beach and write questions. We're going to pack a bunch of, you know, dictionaries and encyclopedias and and reference books and newspapers. And we're going to. Go out there. We're going to write it for the American audience. Some of this stuff is going to be pretty obscure stuff.

They went to Spain in 1981 and they said, we're going to go drink beer on the beach and write questions. We're going to pack a bunch of, you know, dictionaries and encyclopedias and and reference books and newspapers. And we're going to. Go out there. We're going to write it for the American audience. Some of this stuff is going to be pretty obscure stuff.

They went to Spain in 1981 and they said, we're going to go drink beer on the beach and write questions. We're going to pack a bunch of, you know, dictionaries and encyclopedias and and reference books and newspapers. And we're going to. Go out there. We're going to write it for the American audience. Some of this stuff is going to be pretty obscure stuff.

Some is going to be, you know, some are going to be a little easier. They wanted to kind of give it a little bit of variety. And finally, in November 81, registered Trivial Pursuit as a trademark and then launched the genus, not genius edition. That same month is when that came out.

Some is going to be, you know, some are going to be a little easier. They wanted to kind of give it a little bit of variety. And finally, in November 81, registered Trivial Pursuit as a trademark and then launched the genus, not genius edition. That same month is when that came out.

Some is going to be, you know, some are going to be a little easier. They wanted to kind of give it a little bit of variety. And finally, in November 81, registered Trivial Pursuit as a trademark and then launched the genus, not genius edition. That same month is when that came out.

I think there's someone behind you with a giant Y like dancing up and down.

I think there's someone behind you with a giant Y like dancing up and down.

I think there's someone behind you with a giant Y like dancing up and down.

Oh, no, no, no, no. So Toy Fair people were not too interested at first, at least. They got passed on from the bigs, Parker Brothers and Milton Bradley at the time, saying this is a really expensive game to produce. And I mean, that's something we learned a lot about and doing the stuff you should know version is like, Cost of production is obviously a big deal.

Oh, no, no, no, no. So Toy Fair people were not too interested at first, at least. They got passed on from the bigs, Parker Brothers and Milton Bradley at the time, saying this is a really expensive game to produce. And I mean, that's something we learned a lot about and doing the stuff you should know version is like, Cost of production is obviously a big deal.

Oh, no, no, no, no. So Toy Fair people were not too interested at first, at least. They got passed on from the bigs, Parker Brothers and Milton Bradley at the time, saying this is a really expensive game to produce. And I mean, that's something we learned a lot about and doing the stuff you should know version is like, Cost of production is obviously a big deal.

I just never we were like, you know, what if those pieces were like copper or something? They're like, no, they're going to be punch out cardboard. But you guys are sweet.

I just never we were like, you know, what if those pieces were like copper or something? They're like, no, they're going to be punch out cardboard. But you guys are sweet.

I just never we were like, you know, what if those pieces were like copper or something? They're like, no, they're going to be punch out cardboard. But you guys are sweet.

Yeah. You know, Monopoly has all those solid lead figurines. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Yeah. You know, Monopoly has all those solid lead figurines. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Yeah. You know, Monopoly has all those solid lead figurines. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

And not to knock the team we worked with because they were great and the game turned out great. It's just how you make a game to make money.

And not to knock the team we worked with because they were great and the game turned out great. It's just how you make a game to make money.

And not to knock the team we worked with because they were great and the game turned out great. It's just how you make a game to make money.

Yeah, it was pro top to bottom enthusiasm. Just a sheer pleasure.

Yeah, it was pro top to bottom enthusiasm. Just a sheer pleasure.

Yeah, it was pro top to bottom enthusiasm. Just a sheer pleasure.

All right, so enough of that kissing up. They got about 1,100 games made, sold them to local retailers, regional Canadian retailers, basically, right before Christmas. And then this distributor of games, Chieftain Products, Very smartly, we're like, hey, we'll put this thing together.

All right, so enough of that kissing up. They got about 1,100 games made, sold them to local retailers, regional Canadian retailers, basically, right before Christmas. And then this distributor of games, Chieftain Products, Very smartly, we're like, hey, we'll put this thing together.

All right, so enough of that kissing up. They got about 1,100 games made, sold them to local retailers, regional Canadian retailers, basically, right before Christmas. And then this distributor of games, Chieftain Products, Very smartly, we're like, hey, we'll put this thing together.

My daughter, supposedly the vice president's daughter, really, really loved the game when she went away for a weekend and played it a lot. And it ended up being a great decision for them as well.

My daughter, supposedly the vice president's daughter, really, really loved the game when she went away for a weekend and played it a lot. And it ended up being a great decision for them as well.

My daughter, supposedly the vice president's daughter, really, really loved the game when she went away for a weekend and played it a lot. And it ended up being a great decision for them as well.

Yeah. Oh, I think they're officially wedges.

Yeah. Oh, I think they're officially wedges.

Yeah. Oh, I think they're officially wedges.

Yeah, it was incredible. They were making everything in Canada at the time except for the dice. 3,500 games a day, but they still couldn't keep up with the pace. In 1983, finally, a U.S. company called Selcho and Richter, I guess, or Reiter?

Yeah, it was incredible. They were making everything in Canada at the time except for the dice. 3,500 games a day, but they still couldn't keep up with the pace. In 1983, finally, a U.S. company called Selcho and Richter, I guess, or Reiter?

Yeah, it was incredible. They were making everything in Canada at the time except for the dice. 3,500 games a day, but they still couldn't keep up with the pace. In 1983, finally, a U.S. company called Selcho and Richter, I guess, or Reiter?

Did you watch that video?

Did you watch that video?

Did you watch that video?

Reiter? Yeah. They licensed that game. They had real marketing money. Finally, they sold one point three million games in 1983 with that company. And one thing we haven't mentioned is this game was about double the cost of what a board game was at the time. Twenty five to 40 bucks, depending on where you went. That's up to ninety dollars today.

Reiter? Yeah. They licensed that game. They had real marketing money. Finally, they sold one point three million games in 1983 with that company. And one thing we haven't mentioned is this game was about double the cost of what a board game was at the time. Twenty five to 40 bucks, depending on where you went. That's up to ninety dollars today.

Reiter? Yeah. They licensed that game. They had real marketing money. Finally, they sold one point three million games in 1983 with that company. And one thing we haven't mentioned is this game was about double the cost of what a board game was at the time. Twenty five to 40 bucks, depending on where you went. That's up to ninety dollars today.

Oh, God.

Oh, God.

Oh, God.

Well, either way, let's settle at $110. Okay, great, perfect. But either way, that was about double the cost of a board game, so it was no small thing to plunk down that kind of money on this big, heavy, voluminous game.

Well, either way, let's settle at $110. Okay, great, perfect. But either way, that was about double the cost of a board game, so it was no small thing to plunk down that kind of money on this big, heavy, voluminous game.

Well, either way, let's settle at $110. Okay, great, perfect. But either way, that was about double the cost of a board game, so it was no small thing to plunk down that kind of money on this big, heavy, voluminous game.

Yeah, and it was – I mean it said for adults on the box, which turned out to be a stroke of genius because I even remember – I read an article in Slate that kind of drove this home. But I even remember kind of agreeing with what Slate was saying, which was like as a kid in the 80s, especially for kids in the 80s who had like narcissistic parents who didn't show them much attention –

Yeah, and it was – I mean it said for adults on the box, which turned out to be a stroke of genius because I even remember – I read an article in Slate that kind of drove this home. But I even remember kind of agreeing with what Slate was saying, which was like as a kid in the 80s, especially for kids in the 80s who had like narcissistic parents who didn't show them much attention –

Yeah, and it was – I mean it said for adults on the box, which turned out to be a stroke of genius because I even remember – I read an article in Slate that kind of drove this home. But I even remember kind of agreeing with what Slate was saying, which was like as a kid in the 80s, especially for kids in the 80s who had like narcissistic parents who didn't show them much attention –

It was if you could play Trivial Pursuit and hang, it was a chance to sit at the adult table for a minute.

It was if you could play Trivial Pursuit and hang, it was a chance to sit at the adult table for a minute.

It was if you could play Trivial Pursuit and hang, it was a chance to sit at the adult table for a minute.

And to like interact with your parents for an hour a day.

And to like interact with your parents for an hour a day.

And to like interact with your parents for an hour a day.

Yeah. Hey, you throw a little money on it, you never know. Exactly.

Yeah. Hey, you throw a little money on it, you never know. Exactly.

Yeah. Hey, you throw a little money on it, you never know. Exactly.

Yeah, I played this game a lot when I was a kid. It was a family favorite. My mom really, really loved it. We were often a team together, my mom and I, so it's kind of one of my good childhood memories with her.

Yeah, I played this game a lot when I was a kid. It was a family favorite. My mom really, really loved it. We were often a team together, my mom and I, so it's kind of one of my good childhood memories with her.

Yeah, I played this game a lot when I was a kid. It was a family favorite. My mom really, really loved it. We were often a team together, my mom and I, so it's kind of one of my good childhood memories with her.

Yeah, for sure. They had great marketing early on with this new company. There was a marketing consultant they hired named Linda Pisano. who would send these games out to celebrities who were featured in questions in the game. And she got letters back from some of them, and she would publish those. She got letters from Pat Boone, Gregory Peck, and James Mason. The trio.

Yeah, for sure. They had great marketing early on with this new company. There was a marketing consultant they hired named Linda Pisano. who would send these games out to celebrities who were featured in questions in the game. And she got letters back from some of them, and she would publish those. She got letters from Pat Boone, Gregory Peck, and James Mason. The trio.

Yeah, for sure. They had great marketing early on with this new company. There was a marketing consultant they hired named Linda Pisano. who would send these games out to celebrities who were featured in questions in the game. And she got letters back from some of them, and she would publish those. She got letters from Pat Boone, Gregory Peck, and James Mason. The trio.

The boomers are just going nuts. And then, to really drive it home. There was a Time magazine report that the cast of The Big Chill, the most boomer movie of all boomers, movies of all time, were unwinding between scenes, enjoying trivial pursuit and looking back at the nostalgia of their younger days. And that's it was that was peak boomer nostalgia, trivial pursuit reporting.

The boomers are just going nuts. And then, to really drive it home. There was a Time magazine report that the cast of The Big Chill, the most boomer movie of all boomers, movies of all time, were unwinding between scenes, enjoying trivial pursuit and looking back at the nostalgia of their younger days. And that's it was that was peak boomer nostalgia, trivial pursuit reporting.

The boomers are just going nuts. And then, to really drive it home. There was a Time magazine report that the cast of The Big Chill, the most boomer movie of all boomers, movies of all time, were unwinding between scenes, enjoying trivial pursuit and looking back at the nostalgia of their younger days. And that's it was that was peak boomer nostalgia, trivial pursuit reporting.

Oh, that's funny. Well, that movie was very big in my house and that soundtrack. I mean, I joke about it now, but that's literally the thing that introduced me to Motown.

Oh, that's funny. Well, that movie was very big in my house and that soundtrack. I mean, I joke about it now, but that's literally the thing that introduced me to Motown.

Oh, that's funny. Well, that movie was very big in my house and that soundtrack. I mean, I joke about it now, but that's literally the thing that introduced me to Motown.

As a kid. Yeah. Listening to I was 12 years old or whatever it was. Listen to Aretha Franklin and the Four Tops and, you know, everyone else. Jeremiah was a bullfrog, which wasn't Motown. But if you want to hear a more in-depth conversation about that. You can listen to the Movie Crush episode featuring the wonderful and charming Janie Haddad Tompkins.

As a kid. Yeah. Listening to I was 12 years old or whatever it was. Listen to Aretha Franklin and the Four Tops and, you know, everyone else. Jeremiah was a bullfrog, which wasn't Motown. But if you want to hear a more in-depth conversation about that. You can listen to the Movie Crush episode featuring the wonderful and charming Janie Haddad Tompkins.

As a kid. Yeah. Listening to I was 12 years old or whatever it was. Listen to Aretha Franklin and the Four Tops and, you know, everyone else. Jeremiah was a bullfrog, which wasn't Motown. But if you want to hear a more in-depth conversation about that. You can listen to the Movie Crush episode featuring the wonderful and charming Janie Haddad Tompkins.

That was her pick. Nice. Good movie, though. But now it suffers from anti-boomeritis.

That was her pick. Nice. Good movie, though. But now it suffers from anti-boomeritis.

That was her pick. Nice. Good movie, though. But now it suffers from anti-boomeritis.

How do you feel about boomers right now?

How do you feel about boomers right now?

How do you feel about boomers right now?

All right. So 1984. Well, I guess we should mention that book in 1983. A guy named Robert J. Heller wrote a book called How to Win at Trivial Pursuit. Like that's how big it got. I think like 96 trivia games trying to cash in on Trivial Pursuit's success and people writing books like How to Win at Trivial Pursuit in which Robert J. Heller said, why don't you just memorize all 6,000 cards?

All right. So 1984. Well, I guess we should mention that book in 1983. A guy named Robert J. Heller wrote a book called How to Win at Trivial Pursuit. Like that's how big it got. I think like 96 trivia games trying to cash in on Trivial Pursuit's success and people writing books like How to Win at Trivial Pursuit in which Robert J. Heller said, why don't you just memorize all 6,000 cards?

All right. So 1984. Well, I guess we should mention that book in 1983. A guy named Robert J. Heller wrote a book called How to Win at Trivial Pursuit. Like that's how big it got. I think like 96 trivia games trying to cash in on Trivial Pursuit's success and people writing books like How to Win at Trivial Pursuit in which Robert J. Heller said, why don't you just memorize all 6,000 cards?

Well, that's the only thing Reagan I can do is the one word.

Well, that's the only thing Reagan I can do is the one word.

Well, that's the only thing Reagan I can do is the one word.

What was one of them authorized to do so? Or are they just like, come over here, buddy, sign this thing?

What was one of them authorized to do so? Or are they just like, come over here, buddy, sign this thing?

What was one of them authorized to do so? Or are they just like, come over here, buddy, sign this thing?

Like they bore witness or something.

Like they bore witness or something.

Like they bore witness or something.

Boomer City, baby.

Boomer City, baby.

Boomer City, baby.

I'm glad I complicated that very clean and cool story. Another fun little trivial factoid, and yes, I'm saying factoid, was that QE2, Queen Elizabeth II, hosted the first nerd cruise, it sounds like, because she hosted an eight-day Trivial Pursuit tournament cruise in, I guess, 85.

I'm glad I complicated that very clean and cool story. Another fun little trivial factoid, and yes, I'm saying factoid, was that QE2, Queen Elizabeth II, hosted the first nerd cruise, it sounds like, because she hosted an eight-day Trivial Pursuit tournament cruise in, I guess, 85.

I'm glad I complicated that very clean and cool story. Another fun little trivial factoid, and yes, I'm saying factoid, was that QE2, Queen Elizabeth II, hosted the first nerd cruise, it sounds like, because she hosted an eight-day Trivial Pursuit tournament cruise in, I guess, 85.

Yeah, I think they're at about 80 million to date.

Yeah, I think they're at about 80 million to date.

Yeah, I think they're at about 80 million to date.

That's just a staggering amount of games. I mean, you talked about how well it was made. My mom still has the OG from whatever 48 beers ago.

That's just a staggering amount of games. I mean, you talked about how well it was made. My mom still has the OG from whatever 48 beers ago.

That's just a staggering amount of games. I mean, you talked about how well it was made. My mom still has the OG from whatever 48 beers ago.

No, you can still read Richard Nixon on a third of those cards.

No, you can still read Richard Nixon on a third of those cards.

No, you can still read Richard Nixon on a third of those cards.

Oh, not in my family, pal. So Trivial Pursuit is selling gangbusters. Abbott and Haney are rich dudes and also weirdly kind of celebrities. They were not shy. They love to be on TV and to do interviews. They were in TV commercials. They were pitchmen for other brands like Amex and Diet Coke. And they would put that Trivial Pursuit branding on anything they thought they could make money of.

Oh, not in my family, pal. So Trivial Pursuit is selling gangbusters. Abbott and Haney are rich dudes and also weirdly kind of celebrities. They were not shy. They love to be on TV and to do interviews. They were in TV commercials. They were pitchmen for other brands like Amex and Diet Coke. And they would put that Trivial Pursuit branding on anything they thought they could make money of.

Oh, not in my family, pal. So Trivial Pursuit is selling gangbusters. Abbott and Haney are rich dudes and also weirdly kind of celebrities. They were not shy. They love to be on TV and to do interviews. They were in TV commercials. They were pitchmen for other brands like Amex and Diet Coke. And they would put that Trivial Pursuit branding on anything they thought they could make money of.

And like you mentioned, those original investors did really, really well. There was an entertainment writer at the Toronto Globe and Mail named Susan, Susan Farrier McKay, who took out a bank loan to buy 10 shares early on. And in 1984, she bought a house and then she retired not too long after that.

And like you mentioned, those original investors did really, really well. There was an entertainment writer at the Toronto Globe and Mail named Susan, Susan Farrier McKay, who took out a bank loan to buy 10 shares early on. And in 1984, she bought a house and then she retired not too long after that.

And like you mentioned, those original investors did really, really well. There was an entertainment writer at the Toronto Globe and Mail named Susan, Susan Farrier McKay, who took out a bank loan to buy 10 shares early on. And in 1984, she bought a house and then she retired not too long after that.

Yeah, I mean, I was a 12-year-old who learned about Gunsmoke and Richard Nixon through playing Trivial Pursuit.

Yeah, I mean, I was a 12-year-old who learned about Gunsmoke and Richard Nixon through playing Trivial Pursuit.

Yeah, I mean, I was a 12-year-old who learned about Gunsmoke and Richard Nixon through playing Trivial Pursuit.

Yeah, there were two cases, at least like two notable court cases. One was a lawsuit in 1994 from a guy, an Australian named David Wall, who said, hey, in 1979, this Chris Haney guy picked me and my buddy up when we were hitchhiking and we were in Nova Scotia. And while we were driving around, I told him about this idea for the game.

Yeah, there were two cases, at least like two notable court cases. One was a lawsuit in 1994 from a guy, an Australian named David Wall, who said, hey, in 1979, this Chris Haney guy picked me and my buddy up when we were hitchhiking and we were in Nova Scotia. And while we were driving around, I told him about this idea for the game.

Yeah, there were two cases, at least like two notable court cases. One was a lawsuit in 1994 from a guy, an Australian named David Wall, who said, hey, in 1979, this Chris Haney guy picked me and my buddy up when we were hitchhiking and we were in Nova Scotia. And while we were driving around, I told him about this idea for the game.

Like, really specifically, like, my mom has pictures of the wheel that I drew and the pie pieces and everything. And the court were like, well, where are those documents? And he was like, I don't have those anymore. And they said, well, bring forward some witnesses. And he was like, no one – No one's really coming forward. They moved. Yeah, they moved away.

Like, really specifically, like, my mom has pictures of the wheel that I drew and the pie pieces and everything. And the court were like, well, where are those documents? And he was like, I don't have those anymore. And they said, well, bring forward some witnesses. And he was like, no one – No one's really coming forward. They moved. Yeah, they moved away.

Like, really specifically, like, my mom has pictures of the wheel that I drew and the pie pieces and everything. And the court were like, well, where are those documents? And he was like, I don't have those anymore. And they said, well, bring forward some witnesses. And he was like, no one – No one's really coming forward. They moved. Yeah, they moved away.

Haney said or he said that Haney later offered him shares like, hey, man, we're getting this game that you got told me the idea for going and I'm going to offer to buy you shares. This is a real thing. He refused. Had he bought those shares, he would have ended up a rich person as well. But in court, Haney was like, I never met this guy, never picked him up.

Haney said or he said that Haney later offered him shares like, hey, man, we're getting this game that you got told me the idea for going and I'm going to offer to buy you shares. This is a real thing. He refused. Had he bought those shares, he would have ended up a rich person as well. But in court, Haney was like, I never met this guy, never picked him up.

Haney said or he said that Haney later offered him shares like, hey, man, we're getting this game that you got told me the idea for going and I'm going to offer to buy you shares. This is a real thing. He refused. Had he bought those shares, he would have ended up a rich person as well. But in court, Haney was like, I never met this guy, never picked him up.

uh they awarded him initially um well not awarded him he got zero dollars but uh the judge ruled in haney's favor and awarded them 1.2 million dollars in court costs this is after a 13-year legal battle but they reduced that to 1 million because they said uh but you know what your big corporate attorneys came in and sued two of his witnesses so we're gonna knock off uh 200 grand and just make it a million

uh they awarded him initially um well not awarded him he got zero dollars but uh the judge ruled in haney's favor and awarded them 1.2 million dollars in court costs this is after a 13-year legal battle but they reduced that to 1 million because they said uh but you know what your big corporate attorneys came in and sued two of his witnesses so we're gonna knock off uh 200 grand and just make it a million

uh they awarded him initially um well not awarded him he got zero dollars but uh the judge ruled in haney's favor and awarded them 1.2 million dollars in court costs this is after a 13-year legal battle but they reduced that to 1 million because they said uh but you know what your big corporate attorneys came in and sued two of his witnesses so we're gonna knock off uh 200 grand and just make it a million

But I mean, he had a hard he didn't have the million bucks. I saw that. So they said they were looking to garnish his wages. And I was like, man, this is from bad to worse.

But I mean, he had a hard he didn't have the million bucks. I saw that. So they said they were looking to garnish his wages. And I was like, man, this is from bad to worse.

But I mean, he had a hard he didn't have the million bucks. I saw that. So they said they were looking to garnish his wages. And I was like, man, this is from bad to worse.

Yeah. What I was trying to find out was they, you know, they said they sued two. First, the judge said there was no witnesses. Then I find out that they had sued two of the witnesses, which they considered like, you know, witness intimidation or something.

Yeah. What I was trying to find out was they, you know, they said they sued two. First, the judge said there was no witnesses. Then I find out that they had sued two of the witnesses, which they considered like, you know, witness intimidation or something.

Yeah. What I was trying to find out was they, you know, they said they sued two. First, the judge said there was no witnesses. Then I find out that they had sued two of the witnesses, which they considered like, you know, witness intimidation or something.

So I'm wondering if one of those witnesses they sued was like the friend that hitchhiked with them. And I'm just I couldn't find anything out. It's so hard to find out stuff about old court cases.

So I'm wondering if one of those witnesses they sued was like the friend that hitchhiked with them. And I'm just I couldn't find anything out. It's so hard to find out stuff about old court cases.

So I'm wondering if one of those witnesses they sued was like the friend that hitchhiked with them. And I'm just I couldn't find anything out. It's so hard to find out stuff about old court cases.

He did. And that that, well, it didn't bear fruit, but it played out in his favor. It was a question on Columbo, the TV show with what's his name? Peter Falk. Peter Falk. I almost said Robert Blake. I used to get those confused.

He did. And that that, well, it didn't bear fruit, but it played out in his favor. It was a question on Columbo, the TV show with what's his name? Peter Falk. Peter Falk. I almost said Robert Blake. I used to get those confused.

He did. And that that, well, it didn't bear fruit, but it played out in his favor. It was a question on Columbo, the TV show with what's his name? Peter Falk. Peter Falk. I almost said Robert Blake. I used to get those confused.

Yeah, he's he's the one who murdered his wife in real life. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Peter Falk did not murder his wife, as far as I know. But he he was Frank Colombo. And in the question, it was the answer was Philip Colombo. Like, what was Colombo's real name? And, you know, I don't know if anywhere else Philip Colombo had ever been printed. So it looked like pretty good proof to me.

Yeah, he's he's the one who murdered his wife in real life. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Peter Falk did not murder his wife, as far as I know. But he he was Frank Colombo. And in the question, it was the answer was Philip Colombo. Like, what was Colombo's real name? And, you know, I don't know if anywhere else Philip Colombo had ever been printed. So it looked like pretty good proof to me.

Yeah, he's he's the one who murdered his wife in real life. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Peter Falk did not murder his wife, as far as I know. But he he was Frank Colombo. And in the question, it was the answer was Philip Colombo. Like, what was Colombo's real name? And, you know, I don't know if anywhere else Philip Colombo had ever been printed. So it looked like pretty good proof to me.

He sued for 300 million bucks, claimed that close to 1700 of the questions were his questions. And a judge threw it out and said, first of all, this game is a lot different than that book. And at which time Worth should have said, that's not what I'm saying. And then he said, but you can't copyright facts.

He sued for 300 million bucks, claimed that close to 1700 of the questions were his questions. And a judge threw it out and said, first of all, this game is a lot different than that book. And at which time Worth should have said, that's not what I'm saying. And then he said, but you can't copyright facts.

He sued for 300 million bucks, claimed that close to 1700 of the questions were his questions. And a judge threw it out and said, first of all, this game is a lot different than that book. And at which time Worth should have said, that's not what I'm saying. And then he said, but you can't copyright facts.

No case, which I officially feel bad for Worth because it seems clear to me that they took a lot of his questions.

No case, which I officially feel bad for Worth because it seems clear to me that they took a lot of his questions.

No case, which I officially feel bad for Worth because it seems clear to me that they took a lot of his questions.

Boy, do you think there are any Columbo pet ants?

Boy, do you think there are any Columbo pet ants?

Boy, do you think there are any Columbo pet ants?

That listen to this?

That listen to this?

That listen to this?

So the 90s are now upon us. And these guys are, they said they feel like rock stars, basically. They've got all kinds of money. Supposedly, John Haney, the brother that was brought in early on, they were talking about finances. And he said, we'll be great as long as we don't do anything stupid like invest in racehorses. So that's just what they did. Haney and Abbott invested in racehorses.

So the 90s are now upon us. And these guys are, they said they feel like rock stars, basically. They've got all kinds of money. Supposedly, John Haney, the brother that was brought in early on, they were talking about finances. And he said, we'll be great as long as we don't do anything stupid like invest in racehorses. So that's just what they did. Haney and Abbott invested in racehorses.

So the 90s are now upon us. And these guys are, they said they feel like rock stars, basically. They've got all kinds of money. Supposedly, John Haney, the brother that was brought in early on, they were talking about finances. And he said, we'll be great as long as we don't do anything stupid like invest in racehorses. So that's just what they did. Haney and Abbott invested in racehorses.

But for Abbott, it paid off. He spent 50 grand on a yearling named Charlie Bailey that ended up winning about $900,000 in total purses over the years.

But for Abbott, it paid off. He spent 50 grand on a yearling named Charlie Bailey that ended up winning about $900,000 in total purses over the years.

But for Abbott, it paid off. He spent 50 grand on a yearling named Charlie Bailey that ended up winning about $900,000 in total purses over the years.

And lots of studying out for big money.

And lots of studying out for big money.

And lots of studying out for big money.

And they both invested in kind of built from the ground up these two golf courses in Canada. And Abbott bought, he was a big hockey guy, so he bought the Brampton Battalion at the time before moving them north. And changing their name. And they are from the Ontario Hockey League. And I think he might still own them. Oh, yeah, I think so. I mean, this article I found was from the late 20 teens.

And they both invested in kind of built from the ground up these two golf courses in Canada. And Abbott bought, he was a big hockey guy, so he bought the Brampton Battalion at the time before moving them north. And changing their name. And they are from the Ontario Hockey League. And I think he might still own them. Oh, yeah, I think so. I mean, this article I found was from the late 20 teens.

And they both invested in kind of built from the ground up these two golf courses in Canada. And Abbott bought, he was a big hockey guy, so he bought the Brampton Battalion at the time before moving them north. And changing their name. And they are from the Ontario Hockey League. And I think he might still own them. Oh, yeah, I think so. I mean, this article I found was from the late 20 teens.

Yeah. I don't see why he would have sold it.

Yeah. I don't see why he would have sold it.

Yeah. I don't see why he would have sold it.

They were Brampton and now they're North Bay.

They were Brampton and now they're North Bay.

They were Brampton and now they're North Bay.

Yeah. Quiz shows were for sure big. I think, you know, Olivia helped us with this. And I always kind of wondered about the word trivial because I thought that was a pretty genius. And we'll get to the name change because initially this was called Trivia Pursuit and a lot of people called it Trivia Pursuit.

Yeah. Quiz shows were for sure big. I think, you know, Olivia helped us with this. And I always kind of wondered about the word trivial because I thought that was a pretty genius. And we'll get to the name change because initially this was called Trivia Pursuit and a lot of people called it Trivia Pursuit.

Yeah. Quiz shows were for sure big. I think, you know, Olivia helped us with this. And I always kind of wondered about the word trivial because I thought that was a pretty genius. And we'll get to the name change because initially this was called Trivia Pursuit and a lot of people called it Trivia Pursuit.

Oh, is it Juan?

Oh, is it Juan?

Oh, is it Juan?

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, for sure. It was a lot of writing. He said that he used the dictionary of 20th century world politics, pop culture magazines. As his story goes, when he needed Rambo questions, he watched all the Rambo movies two times to come up with the best questions. And, you know, once you write them, they did. I think he had a partner.

Yeah, for sure. It was a lot of writing. He said that he used the dictionary of 20th century world politics, pop culture magazines. As his story goes, when he needed Rambo questions, he watched all the Rambo movies two times to come up with the best questions. And, you know, once you write them, they did. I think he had a partner.

Yeah, for sure. It was a lot of writing. He said that he used the dictionary of 20th century world politics, pop culture magazines. As his story goes, when he needed Rambo questions, he watched all the Rambo movies two times to come up with the best questions. And, you know, once you write them, they did. I think he had a partner.

They had some researchers on the team and they would fact check and do corrections and tweaks and stuff like that.

They had some researchers on the team and they would fact check and do corrections and tweaks and stuff like that.

They had some researchers on the team and they would fact check and do corrections and tweaks and stuff like that.

You just sitting there going, oh, no.

You just sitting there going, oh, no.

You just sitting there going, oh, no.

As far as the nitty gritty goes, questions have a maximum of 45 characters. They prefer two lines, even though there can be three. They just visually thought the two line questions look better. So they tried to edit them down when possible.

As far as the nitty gritty goes, questions have a maximum of 45 characters. They prefer two lines, even though there can be three. They just visually thought the two line questions look better. So they tried to edit them down when possible.

As far as the nitty gritty goes, questions have a maximum of 45 characters. They prefer two lines, even though there can be three. They just visually thought the two line questions look better. So they tried to edit them down when possible.

But the change to trivial, I don't know, there was just something that made it a little cheeky.

But the change to trivial, I don't know, there was just something that made it a little cheeky.

But the change to trivial, I don't know, there was just something that made it a little cheeky.

Was the first question, how long did the fame people think they were going to live?

Was the first question, how long did the fame people think they were going to live?

Was the first question, how long did the fame people think they were going to live?

I couldn't have been as these additions weren't as big, though, right? There's no way.

I couldn't have been as these additions weren't as big, though, right? There's no way.

I couldn't have been as these additions weren't as big, though, right? There's no way.

You know... I it's some of those versions are definitely not my thing, but I'm not going to say it lost its way. I disagreed with that guy. And like, if you want a Harry Potter edition, that's your jam. Then like, I love it. Sure. In fact, I wouldn't mind a friend's edition now that I'm thinking of it. I did today.

You know... I it's some of those versions are definitely not my thing, but I'm not going to say it lost its way. I disagreed with that guy. And like, if you want a Harry Potter edition, that's your jam. Then like, I love it. Sure. In fact, I wouldn't mind a friend's edition now that I'm thinking of it. I did today.

You know... I it's some of those versions are definitely not my thing, but I'm not going to say it lost its way. I disagreed with that guy. And like, if you want a Harry Potter edition, that's your jam. Then like, I love it. Sure. In fact, I wouldn't mind a friend's edition now that I'm thinking of it. I did today.

The Friends edition, I think, would be kind of fun for me or Seinfeld edition because I know those pretty well. But I did today buy the Greatest Hits edition, which is mainly 80s and 90s and a lot of pop culture. And supposedly that's like a Gen X feast. So I bought that today and hopefully I'll be getting it very soon.

The Friends edition, I think, would be kind of fun for me or Seinfeld edition because I know those pretty well. But I did today buy the Greatest Hits edition, which is mainly 80s and 90s and a lot of pop culture. And supposedly that's like a Gen X feast. So I bought that today and hopefully I'll be getting it very soon.

The Friends edition, I think, would be kind of fun for me or Seinfeld edition because I know those pretty well. But I did today buy the Greatest Hits edition, which is mainly 80s and 90s and a lot of pop culture. And supposedly that's like a Gen X feast. So I bought that today and hopefully I'll be getting it very soon.

Yeah. God. We could probably write a Seinfeld edition. You and I could.

Yeah. God. We could probably write a Seinfeld edition. You and I could.

Yeah. God. We could probably write a Seinfeld edition. You and I could.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Yeah, I guess so. But I thought it mattered. When I was a kid, I was now that I'm adult, I'm like trivia pursuits, kind of a fun name. When I was a kid, I was like, this is not trivia. These are facts and figures. Right. It was weird.

Yeah, I guess so. But I thought it mattered. When I was a kid, I was now that I'm adult, I'm like trivia pursuits, kind of a fun name. When I was a kid, I was like, this is not trivia. These are facts and figures. Right. It was weird.

Yeah, I guess so. But I thought it mattered. When I was a kid, I was now that I'm adult, I'm like trivia pursuits, kind of a fun name. When I was a kid, I was like, this is not trivia. These are facts and figures. Right. It was weird.

Yeah. You got anything else? I got nothing else. I'm looking forward to playing. You know, I do have to say, I think I tried to play the original Genis. Sometime in the last like five or six years. It's been a minute, but I remember it didn't feel like it held up that well. And that's that's probably due to the fact that it was written in the 80s and it was geared toward boomers.

Yeah. You got anything else? I got nothing else. I'm looking forward to playing. You know, I do have to say, I think I tried to play the original Genis. Sometime in the last like five or six years. It's been a minute, but I remember it didn't feel like it held up that well. And that's that's probably due to the fact that it was written in the 80s and it was geared toward boomers.

Yeah. You got anything else? I got nothing else. I'm looking forward to playing. You know, I do have to say, I think I tried to play the original Genis. Sometime in the last like five or six years. It's been a minute, but I remember it didn't feel like it held up that well. And that's that's probably due to the fact that it was written in the 80s and it was geared toward boomers.

But it was still OK.

But it was still OK.

But it was still OK.

Well, just, you know, questions about Gunsmoke and Richard Nixon and over and over and over.

Well, just, you know, questions about Gunsmoke and Richard Nixon and over and over and over.

Well, just, you know, questions about Gunsmoke and Richard Nixon and over and over and over.

No, no, no, no, not like that. It just felt a little dated question-wise. Mm-hmm. Like, hey, I mean, supposedly the master's edition is the one I think the gamer ranked in 2021 and a listicle. And the gamer said that the 2021 master edition was the best edition yet. But that classic edition has sold the lion's share of those 80 million versions.

No, no, no, no, not like that. It just felt a little dated question-wise. Mm-hmm. Like, hey, I mean, supposedly the master's edition is the one I think the gamer ranked in 2021 and a listicle. And the gamer said that the 2021 master edition was the best edition yet. But that classic edition has sold the lion's share of those 80 million versions.

No, no, no, no, not like that. It just felt a little dated question-wise. Mm-hmm. Like, hey, I mean, supposedly the master's edition is the one I think the gamer ranked in 2021 and a listicle. And the gamer said that the 2021 master edition was the best edition yet. But that classic edition has sold the lion's share of those 80 million versions.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Me too.

Me too.

Me too.

I do.

I do.

I do.

Hey guys, love your September episode on the history of music streaming. I grew up in the 90s. I can vividly remember being at my friend Ross's house, downloading Weezer songs off of Napster and burning pirated versions onto CD-Rs.

Hey guys, love your September episode on the history of music streaming. I grew up in the 90s. I can vividly remember being at my friend Ross's house, downloading Weezer songs off of Napster and burning pirated versions onto CD-Rs.

Hey guys, love your September episode on the history of music streaming. I grew up in the 90s. I can vividly remember being at my friend Ross's house, downloading Weezer songs off of Napster and burning pirated versions onto CD-Rs.

As the title suggests, I'm an active musician now, and I wanted to take a quick moment and give a shout out to the music streaming platforms that didn't end up in the episode, like Bandcamp and SoundCloud. Oh, yeah. I feel bad we didn't mention these, and we just kind of went with the big corporate monoliths.

As the title suggests, I'm an active musician now, and I wanted to take a quick moment and give a shout out to the music streaming platforms that didn't end up in the episode, like Bandcamp and SoundCloud. Oh, yeah. I feel bad we didn't mention these, and we just kind of went with the big corporate monoliths.

As the title suggests, I'm an active musician now, and I wanted to take a quick moment and give a shout out to the music streaming platforms that didn't end up in the episode, like Bandcamp and SoundCloud. Oh, yeah. I feel bad we didn't mention these, and we just kind of went with the big corporate monoliths.

As an independent artist, especially like how Bandcamp allows us to promote shows, discover, connect with other musicians directly, and the ability to customize the look and copy on our releases page. It's made getting gigs and connecting with other indie bands so much easier. I also found it interesting how the preferred medium of the day has informed their choices when releasing music.

As an independent artist, especially like how Bandcamp allows us to promote shows, discover, connect with other musicians directly, and the ability to customize the look and copy on our releases page. It's made getting gigs and connecting with other indie bands so much easier. I also found it interesting how the preferred medium of the day has informed their choices when releasing music.

As an independent artist, especially like how Bandcamp allows us to promote shows, discover, connect with other musicians directly, and the ability to customize the look and copy on our releases page. It's made getting gigs and connecting with other indie bands so much easier. I also found it interesting how the preferred medium of the day has informed their choices when releasing music.

In the 90s, albums were so much longer. He says, I'm looking at you smashing pumpkins. Because a lone CD could hold more than a vinyl LP or cassette. Today, there is so much music available at our fingertips. Musicians are releasing shorter albums, digital mixtapes, and a steady stream of albumless singles, all in an attempt to stay relevant and capture fleeting attention spans of listeners.

In the 90s, albums were so much longer. He says, I'm looking at you smashing pumpkins. Because a lone CD could hold more than a vinyl LP or cassette. Today, there is so much music available at our fingertips. Musicians are releasing shorter albums, digital mixtapes, and a steady stream of albumless singles, all in an attempt to stay relevant and capture fleeting attention spans of listeners.

In the 90s, albums were so much longer. He says, I'm looking at you smashing pumpkins. Because a lone CD could hold more than a vinyl LP or cassette. Today, there is so much music available at our fingertips. Musicians are releasing shorter albums, digital mixtapes, and a steady stream of albumless singles, all in an attempt to stay relevant and capture fleeting attention spans of listeners.

I'm curious to see what happens over the next decade. Thanks for your time and years of parasocial education and entertainment. This is from Chris in Seattle, and we actually met and hung out with Chris. When? Many, many years ago in Seattle. He was a friend of our booking agent, at least at the time, Josh Lindgren. Well, he's still our booking agent.

I'm curious to see what happens over the next decade. Thanks for your time and years of parasocial education and entertainment. This is from Chris in Seattle, and we actually met and hung out with Chris. When? Many, many years ago in Seattle. He was a friend of our booking agent, at least at the time, Josh Lindgren. Well, he's still our booking agent.

I'm curious to see what happens over the next decade. Thanks for your time and years of parasocial education and entertainment. This is from Chris in Seattle, and we actually met and hung out with Chris. When? Many, many years ago in Seattle. He was a friend of our booking agent, at least at the time, Josh Lindgren. Well, he's still our booking agent.

They were friends at the time, as far as I know.

They were friends at the time, as far as I know.

They were friends at the time, as far as I know.

Well, I don't know. I just didn't ask. I was going to text Lindgren and ask if he knew him, but he came to the Neptune show, and I even rode in a car with him with Emily to some after party we went to.

Well, I don't know. I just didn't ask. I was going to text Lindgren and ask if he knew him, but he came to the Neptune show, and I even rode in a car with him with Emily to some after party we went to.

Well, I don't know. I just didn't ask. I was going to text Lindgren and ask if he knew him, but he came to the Neptune show, and I even rode in a car with him with Emily to some after party we went to.

Yeah, for sure. So pub quizzes were big in England before they were a big deal in the United States where we call it just bar trivia, I guess. But they kind of hit it big earlier on. So the world of trivia was gaining steam through the 1960s. I think there was a Columbia student named Edwin Goodgold, who I think he wrote a book, right?

Yeah, for sure. So pub quizzes were big in England before they were a big deal in the United States where we call it just bar trivia, I guess. But they kind of hit it big earlier on. So the world of trivia was gaining steam through the 1960s. I think there was a Columbia student named Edwin Goodgold, who I think he wrote a book, right?

Yeah, for sure. So pub quizzes were big in England before they were a big deal in the United States where we call it just bar trivia, I guess. But they kind of hit it big earlier on. So the world of trivia was gaining steam through the 1960s. I think there was a Columbia student named Edwin Goodgold, who I think he wrote a book, right?

Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, you're right.

Really?

Really?

Really?

Yeah, exactly. And that was the mid 60s. The mid 70s is when the pub quizzes really took off in England. That didn't start in the U.S. till really after Trivial Pursuit. There was a time even where the TV show Jeopardy was not on the air because, like you said, there was just a waxing and waning on interest in trivia.

Yeah, exactly. And that was the mid 60s. The mid 70s is when the pub quizzes really took off in England. That didn't start in the U.S. till really after Trivial Pursuit. There was a time even where the TV show Jeopardy was not on the air because, like you said, there was just a waxing and waning on interest in trivia.

Yeah, exactly. And that was the mid 60s. The mid 70s is when the pub quizzes really took off in England. That didn't start in the U.S. till really after Trivial Pursuit. There was a time even where the TV show Jeopardy was not on the air because, like you said, there was just a waxing and waning on interest in trivia.

But Jeopardy came back in 84 and all of a sudden, you know, trivia started to be important in the United States again.

But Jeopardy came back in 84 and all of a sudden, you know, trivia started to be important in the United States again.

But Jeopardy came back in 84 and all of a sudden, you know, trivia started to be important in the United States again.

Yeah. And this is our pick. We kind of had a hard time deciding this year, but actually not really. It was a toss up. But we always do like a Christmas, you know, legendary Christmas gifts and pop culture history kind of episode.

Yeah. And this is our pick. We kind of had a hard time deciding this year, but actually not really. It was a toss up. But we always do like a Christmas, you know, legendary Christmas gifts and pop culture history kind of episode.

Yeah. And this is our pick. We kind of had a hard time deciding this year, but actually not really. It was a toss up. But we always do like a Christmas, you know, legendary Christmas gifts and pop culture history kind of episode.

And this year we went with Tribute Pursuit because it was a big, you know, they as you'll see that, you know, rolling out a board game in October and November is a pretty smart move.

And this year we went with Tribute Pursuit because it was a big, you know, they as you'll see that, you know, rolling out a board game in October and November is a pretty smart move.

And this year we went with Tribute Pursuit because it was a big, you know, they as you'll see that, you know, rolling out a board game in October and November is a pretty smart move.

Yeah, they were a couple of hockey dudes. Just hockey, beer drinking, Canadian, good old fashioned Canadian hockey playing. Or at least hockey watching. I bet they played too. They all played.

Yeah, they were a couple of hockey dudes. Just hockey, beer drinking, Canadian, good old fashioned Canadian hockey playing. Or at least hockey watching. I bet they played too. They all played.

Yeah, they were a couple of hockey dudes. Just hockey, beer drinking, Canadian, good old fashioned Canadian hockey playing. Or at least hockey watching. I bet they played too. They all played.

Yeah, Haney was a high school dropout. Abbott did have a master's degree in journalism from University of Tennessee. And he was living with Haney and his wife, Sarah, in their apartment in Montreal at the time. And as the legend goes... They're hanging out one day. It was kind of rainy. They were like, hey, let's play some Scrabble. They realized they didn't have some Scrabble.

Yeah, Haney was a high school dropout. Abbott did have a master's degree in journalism from University of Tennessee. And he was living with Haney and his wife, Sarah, in their apartment in Montreal at the time. And as the legend goes... They're hanging out one day. It was kind of rainy. They were like, hey, let's play some Scrabble. They realized they didn't have some Scrabble.

Yeah, Haney was a high school dropout. Abbott did have a master's degree in journalism from University of Tennessee. And he was living with Haney and his wife, Sarah, in their apartment in Montreal at the time. And as the legend goes... They're hanging out one day. It was kind of rainy. They were like, hey, let's play some Scrabble. They realized they didn't have some Scrabble.

And then I saw a couple of different versions, kind of inconsequential, like whether or not he just dropped everything and went out and bought a Scrabble or whether just on his next shopping trip he did. But Haney would buy a Scrabble game, bring it back to play and was like, you know what?

And then I saw a couple of different versions, kind of inconsequential, like whether or not he just dropped everything and went out and bought a Scrabble or whether just on his next shopping trip he did. But Haney would buy a Scrabble game, bring it back to play and was like, you know what?

And then I saw a couple of different versions, kind of inconsequential, like whether or not he just dropped everything and went out and bought a Scrabble or whether just on his next shopping trip he did. But Haney would buy a Scrabble game, bring it back to play and was like, you know what?

I bought like six of these things over the years because I just keep losing them or leaving behind or loaning them out or something. And like, what a racket. Like we should get into the gaming business.

I bought like six of these things over the years because I just keep losing them or leaving behind or loaning them out or something. And like, what a racket. Like we should get into the gaming business.

I bought like six of these things over the years because I just keep losing them or leaving behind or loaning them out or something. And like, what a racket. Like we should get into the gaming business.

Some might say suspiciously quickly. We'll get to that later. But as their story goes, at about 45 minutes time, and they're really specific about that. I never saw anywhere an hour. They always said 45 minutes. They got, you know, the game together. They got some construction paper. They started sketching things out.

Some might say suspiciously quickly. We'll get to that later. But as their story goes, at about 45 minutes time, and they're really specific about that. I never saw anywhere an hour. They always said 45 minutes. They got, you know, the game together. They got some construction paper. They started sketching things out.

Some might say suspiciously quickly. We'll get to that later. But as their story goes, at about 45 minutes time, and they're really specific about that. I never saw anywhere an hour. They always said 45 minutes. They got, you know, the game together. They got some construction paper. They started sketching things out.

They based the design of the circular board on a ship's wheel with six spokes that corresponded to categories of geography and entertainment. sports and leisure, science and nature, arts and literature, and history. And you would roll the die. You would move in any direction you wanted, as long as it's only one direction. You get this little circular pie crust. with six available pie slots.

They based the design of the circular board on a ship's wheel with six spokes that corresponded to categories of geography and entertainment. sports and leisure, science and nature, arts and literature, and history. And you would roll the die. You would move in any direction you wanted, as long as it's only one direction. You get this little circular pie crust. with six available pie slots.

They based the design of the circular board on a ship's wheel with six spokes that corresponded to categories of geography and entertainment. sports and leisure, science and nature, arts and literature, and history. And you would roll the die. You would move in any direction you wanted, as long as it's only one direction. You get this little circular pie crust. with six available pie slots.

Not wedges. And the idea is you go around and you answer questions in the corresponding categories. And when you answer them on the center of each spoke, or I guess the landing point of each spoke, you would get to put in a pie piece. Once you have all those pie pieces in, you roll your way to the center, must have an exact roll.

Not wedges. And the idea is you go around and you answer questions in the corresponding categories. And when you answer them on the center of each spoke, or I guess the landing point of each spoke, you would get to put in a pie piece. Once you have all those pie pieces in, you roll your way to the center, must have an exact roll.

Not wedges. And the idea is you go around and you answer questions in the corresponding categories. And when you answer them on the center of each spoke, or I guess the landing point of each spoke, you would get to put in a pie piece. Once you have all those pie pieces in, you roll your way to the center, must have an exact roll.

And then the other teams decide which category of question they want to randomly ask you. And if you miss, if you make it, you win the game. If you miss it, you got to roll back out and then answer questions and eventually roll back in.

And then the other teams decide which category of question they want to randomly ask you. And if you miss, if you make it, you win the game. If you miss it, you got to roll back out and then answer questions and eventually roll back in.

And then the other teams decide which category of question they want to randomly ask you. And if you miss, if you make it, you win the game. If you miss it, you got to roll back out and then answer questions and eventually roll back in.

I mean, were you on a team by yourself? No, no, no, just me. Okay, that's what I was asking. Not literally playing by yourself. Boy, Josh, I mean, oh, never mind.

I mean, were you on a team by yourself? No, no, no, just me. Okay, that's what I was asking. Not literally playing by yourself. Boy, Josh, I mean, oh, never mind.

I mean, were you on a team by yourself? No, no, no, just me. Okay, that's what I was asking. Not literally playing by yourself. Boy, Josh, I mean, oh, never mind.

I did that for a little while.

I did that for a little while.

I did that for a little while.

Just talking different voices.

Just talking different voices.

Just talking different voices.

No, I want to dwell back on that because 20 minutes, I mean, I played a lot of Trivial Pursuit, and I don't feel like we ever got through a game in less than that standard 45 minutes it took to invent it.

No, I want to dwell back on that because 20 minutes, I mean, I played a lot of Trivial Pursuit, and I don't feel like we ever got through a game in less than that standard 45 minutes it took to invent it.

No, I want to dwell back on that because 20 minutes, I mean, I played a lot of Trivial Pursuit, and I don't feel like we ever got through a game in less than that standard 45 minutes it took to invent it.

Yeah, exactly. And most of the times it was boomer parents like waxing philosophic about how great their stuff was.

Yeah, exactly. And most of the times it was boomer parents like waxing philosophic about how great their stuff was.

Yeah, exactly. And most of the times it was boomer parents like waxing philosophic about how great their stuff was.

Yeah, so I don't think we mentioned you could have teams. I did sort of allude to that. But you could have, I mean, you could probably have as many people as you want on a team. But I think they suggested max of four, meaning a max of 24 players. And anything more than that would get a little unwieldy. But I feel like we were, and my family wasn't big. It was usually we were in pairs.

Yeah, so I don't think we mentioned you could have teams. I did sort of allude to that. But you could have, I mean, you could probably have as many people as you want on a team. But I think they suggested max of four, meaning a max of 24 players. And anything more than that would get a little unwieldy. But I feel like we were, and my family wasn't big. It was usually we were in pairs.

Yeah, so I don't think we mentioned you could have teams. I did sort of allude to that. But you could have, I mean, you could probably have as many people as you want on a team. But I think they suggested max of four, meaning a max of 24 players. And anything more than that would get a little unwieldy. But I feel like we were, and my family wasn't big. It was usually we were in pairs.

Yeah. And as a kid, I do also remember all of my family trying to nab me because I was the only one who really knew much about sports.

Yeah. And as a kid, I do also remember all of my family trying to nab me because I was the only one who really knew much about sports.

Yeah. And as a kid, I do also remember all of my family trying to nab me because I was the only one who really knew much about sports.

What was your category? Like if you could pick your own final category, what would it be?

What was your category? Like if you could pick your own final category, what would it be?

What was your category? Like if you could pick your own final category, what would it be?

Yeah. I would say sports and leisure or entertainment for me.

Yeah. I would say sports and leisure or entertainment for me.

Yeah. I would say sports and leisure or entertainment for me.

Definitely not geography still.

Definitely not geography still.

Definitely not geography still.

That's because they didn't have masks.

That's because they didn't have masks.

That's because they didn't have masks.

So I mentioned the name change. That was Sarah, who was Haney's wife. Chris Haney's wife, Sarah, is the one that said, no, change it to Trivial instead of Trivia. I think it was a pretty great switch. And I think that's a pretty good intro.

So I mentioned the name change. That was Sarah, who was Haney's wife. Chris Haney's wife, Sarah, is the one that said, no, change it to Trivial instead of Trivia. I think it was a pretty great switch. And I think that's a pretty good intro.

So I mentioned the name change. That was Sarah, who was Haney's wife. Chris Haney's wife, Sarah, is the one that said, no, change it to Trivial instead of Trivia. I think it was a pretty great switch. And I think that's a pretty good intro.

Yeah. Let's move along to Act Two right after this.

Yeah. Let's move along to Act Two right after this.

Yeah. Let's move along to Act Two right after this.