Chuck Bryant

I think one of the guys that was like, you know, when we pulled up on this place, we were all of a sudden a little shaken.

He said it was full of windows.

He said it was the high ground.

And he said this is not the kind of like – like we were immediately at the –

Oh, what do you call it when you're at a disadvantage?

That's the worst.

Yeah.

And it also had a tower.

That's where Koresh's bedroom was.

Yeah, I mean, it was huge, but it was definitely one of those things that was kind of built by hand over many years.

Yeah, for sure.

I think it was a three-hour gun battle, and eventually there was a call from the inside to the outside where David Koresh gets on the phone with an Officer Lynch, and he says he's Officer Lynch, and Koresh says, that's kind of a funny name.

And then he says, this is David Koresh, the Notorious, and he said, what'd you guys do that for?

yeah for sure um we should point out that koresh was wounded in this initial gunfight uh and the the religious imagery was not lost on his followers because he was shot through the wrist and he was shot through the side uh you know those were the wounds jesus suffered on the cross and he was uh he was 33 at this point and i think most people think that's how old jesus was when he was crucified so

they all think this is like, you know, supreme, like religious symbolism happening.

Yeah, sure.

I mean, I know that during the the shootout they called out, but I'm not sure about afterward.

Yeah, and things were going pretty well.

Like, negotiations were going well at first.

I mean, I think forefront in everyone's mind was let's get these kids out of here because they knew there were a lot of children inside.