Chuck Bryant

Yeah, exactly.

So they went to the Heckman Biscuit Company, which was conveniently also in Michigan.

They had been around selling Dutch cookies since the beginning of the late 19th century, door to door.

And by the 1960s, when this is happening, their division of the United Biscuit Company of America, which would eventually become Keebler in 66, right there in Grand Rapids, they had a great modern industrial bakery.

And it was a really sort of a great partnership out of the gate.

Grand Rapids, by the way, just a little personal aside, is where I learned that I actually love frog legs.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

There was this dinner theater in Grand Rapids that my family used to go to when I was growing up in Toledo.

The frog leg theater?

On their buffet, they had frog legs.

And I tried them once, and I was like, oh, my God, these are amazing.

I don't think I would eat one now, but when I was like 8, 9, 10, I would eat some frog legs.

I don't know where it was, buddy, but I tried frog legs on a buffet in the 1970s or early 80s.

Yeah, and I thought, hey, this tastes like chicken.

Kind of.

It's the weird skin that really throws it off, though.

These were fried, so I don't remember the skin.

And this is a very distant memory.

But I'm with you.