Chuck Klosterman

Sure.

I mean, the thing is that you factor in... I think you actually overemphasize the... Wins and losses?

The outcome.

Titles?

I think you could absolutely make a very strong argument that if you had to pick one of those guys to be on your team, Russell would be the guy to pick.

The fact that every time they squared up against each other, it seemed like Russell got the better of him, despite the fact the rosters weren't really the same.

No, I debunked that.

The rosters were just as good.

I totally understand that.

What I'm talking about is sort of like the archetype of the basketball player.

You know, the ability to do the rudimentary elements of basketball, score the ball, rebound the ball,

pass the ball, play defense, move up and down the court.

Okay.

I believe, and I wrote this in your book, I believe that Wilt Chamberlain with a different mindset could have been Bill Russell.

I do not believe Bill Russell with a different mindset could have been Wilt Chamberlain.

I don't think that.

Now, I, you know, in the same way that... I disagreed with it when it was in my book.

I mean, so you think that if Bill Russell had been a more sort of selfish, you know, self-oriented... I just think he did what he...

Yes.

And basketball is a team sport, so you could make the argument that his ability to figure out what was the best way to do this within the confines of this five-on-five game or whatever, we can't discount that, right?