Chuck Nice

You're just throwing a nation under the bus.

I'm just saying.

It's all right.

Oh, damned with faint praise.

So Matt, if we fast forward, do you think there's an echo of that malaise still present in our scientific medical environments today?

Of what, of the malaise?

An echo.

He's stuck with that.

I think Bruno went down before.

It's like, clearly you are an informant.

No, in Galileo's defense, I think Bruno went down in advance of Galileo.

If I sort of outline a story here, there's another level of suppression that even exists today where someone who's going to go on and win a Nobel Prize for saving millions of lives gets their belongings and all their work in a couple of bags in a hallway and told to leave the university.

All right, Matt, would you do me a favor and fill in the blanks?

Because this one blew me away when I read it.

So with Cati and her Nobel Prize, does she now break the glass ceiling?

Is there any movement in the needle?

Matt, before we wrap this up, I have this one thought that's stuck in my mind.

We are experiencing in some places an anti-science stance.

This history lesson that you've brought to us today, which was very enjoyable, will it— Illuminating.

Illuminating.