Chuck Schumer

That's a really good idea. I mean, there's a couple of kind of actionable suggestions that have come out of this episode. One, I think you're right.

That's a really good idea. I mean, there's a couple of kind of actionable suggestions that have come out of this episode. One, I think you're right.

The party leaders should come together and try to lay out some some standards that everyone should be asked to follow to some sort of charity navigator like platform will be really helpful because it's incredibly difficult to run down like the providence of these packs and see what's legit and what's not.

The party leaders should come together and try to lay out some some standards that everyone should be asked to follow to some sort of charity navigator like platform will be really helpful because it's incredibly difficult to run down like the providence of these packs and see what's legit and what's not.

And then three, Joe recommended that we keep a list and just name and shame all the worst actors. The campaigns or PACs or party entities that harass people the most. Yeah.

And then three, Joe recommended that we keep a list and just name and shame all the worst actors. The campaigns or PACs or party entities that harass people the most. Yeah.

I think that's a great idea. Great idea. Dan, thank you so much. Thank you, Tommy. After the break, you'll hear my conversation with Regina. But our friends over at Vote Save America would kill me if I didn't make clear that Vote Save America does not sell donor contact information ever.

I think that's a great idea. Great idea. Dan, thank you so much. Thank you, Tommy. After the break, you'll hear my conversation with Regina. But our friends over at Vote Save America would kill me if I didn't make clear that Vote Save America does not sell donor contact information ever.

Throughout this episode, we've been talking about ActBlue. So we wanted to end it by talking with Regina Wallace-Jones, the CEO of ActBlue, about what they do and why Trump's attempts to destroy ActBlue could be so devastating for the Democratic Party.

Throughout this episode, we've been talking about ActBlue. So we wanted to end it by talking with Regina Wallace-Jones, the CEO of ActBlue, about what they do and why Trump's attempts to destroy ActBlue could be so devastating for the Democratic Party.

And what is ActBlue?

And what is ActBlue?

What was the fundraising landscape or process like for Democrats before ActBlue came along?

What was the fundraising landscape or process like for Democrats before ActBlue came along?

Yeah. I worked for John Edwards for president in 2004. And when you would walk around the fundraising department, there would be giant books filled with contact information for trial lawyers. So I remember the kind of OG fundraising and the types of people that it involved in the political process. And you're right.

Yeah. I worked for John Edwards for president in 2004. And when you would walk around the fundraising department, there would be giant books filled with contact information for trial lawyers. So I remember the kind of OG fundraising and the types of people that it involved in the political process. And you're right.

I mean, Howard Dean comes along and he starts this revolution in online fundraising. But at some point along the way, ActBlue just exploded in popularity and kind of became the only game in town. I'm just wondering, why do you think that was?

I mean, Howard Dean comes along and he starts this revolution in online fundraising. But at some point along the way, ActBlue just exploded in popularity and kind of became the only game in town. I'm just wondering, why do you think that was?

So As you said, I mean, you're not a political party. You're not a political entity. You're not fundraising. You're a technology platform and conduit through which funds are raised and then distributed out. Is there a version of ActBlue on the Republican side that just happens to be used by Republicans? And how does it differ?

So As you said, I mean, you're not a political party. You're not a political entity. You're not fundraising. You're a technology platform and conduit through which funds are raised and then distributed out. Is there a version of ActBlue on the Republican side that just happens to be used by Republicans? And how does it differ?