Chuck Todd

that this would somehow improve, you know, that it, it, and, and we'll see on this.

Right.

Almost out of defiance.

I always say he's he's always 13 and you have to sort of in some ways he's got the emotional IQ of a 13 year old.

I think there's a lot of protectionists and isolationists and nationalists who believe that immigrant labor is what pushes wages down and what would, and, and essentially makes turns working class jobs into low class jobs.

And many a 13 year old or 13 going on 30 or 13 going on eight.

Right.

And that can be Donald Trump at all times.

Right.

You're never sure how serious is he.

And, you know, he'll be cogent and fascinating for a moment in time.

And that there would be that, uh,

that fewer immigrants would actually raise the standard of living for working class people.

You know, my God, he may say something that you agree with.

And then he acts like the eight year old.

And there's a genuine belief.

Right.

So I do think he comes at this, comes at this issue specifically with a set of beliefs that he, that he, and he's trying to implement a policy, but on everything else, I, you know, I don't quite, you know, I don't know that he doesn't strike me as a small government guy.

And throws his temper tantrums and all of that stuff.

So.