Chuck Todd

We had that in this country for over a hundred years.

When you read de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, when he was trying to sort of figure this out and he was this outside observer, he marveled at a few things, how interested in local we were and sort of how active everybody was.

It was participatory.

it does feel as if we got, and I vacillate on this, perhaps apathy is a sign of stability.

And it is not lost on me that our highest turnouts over the last, in my lifetime, have all come since the era of Trump.

That the instability Trump has brought to the system has brought more people to pay attention.

And we've had higher voter participation rates, pure and simple.

It's interesting to me that it's because people are nervous that they show up to the polls, not because people are satisfied.

And-

So I I vacillate there on that, but I wonder.

You know, how do we make people feel as if, you know, hey, look, citizenship is is there's it is a job.

And you can't be passive.

Vigilance.

What's your tagline?

You say it all the time.

Stay vigilant.

Stay vigilant.

We're here now.

By the way, I was one of those people.

I remember as a reporter, young reporter in the 90s, I used to think, oh, man, I there's a part of me that wishes I had I had something more defining for the country to cover.