Chuck Todd

The people who serve.

I have this –

I have this slightly dystopian fear that come January 20th, 2029, all Donald Trump's legacy will be is destruction.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The parable of Giuliani, right?

whether you're in Washington, D.C., and half the White House is still in rubble, and the Kennedy Center is gutted, and you'll have Venezuela still not a democracy or rebuilt, you'll have Cuba in some sort of half being rebuilt, half not, the rubble of Tehran that we'll have had a lot to do with, but he'll want to walk away from that, and that it really is just sort of

you know, that he leaves the country with just a mess everywhere.

Actual mess at the White House itself, rubble, the Constitution kind of metaphorically crumbled.

I mean, it's not as, you know, my fear is less him trying to get a third term than Moore just leaving such a giant pile of rubble, both literally and figuratively, all over

There you go.

That's kind of where we are, right?

Well, you're not wrong.

I mean, I am, you know, if Trump supporters decide to prioritize their economic concerns over their cultural concerns, there is a majority that will burn this place down.

the presidency.

And, you know, that's, honestly, I think it's the most likely scenario at this point going into 2029.

Well, so let me give you what I take a lot of inspiration from.

There's a lot of beauty in the story.

I have often, I, I, you know, I, I, it's sort of like, there's a, you know, the, the, you know, Steve Bannon and Bernie Sanders talk very similarly at times.

So I...