Chuck Todd

I think if you look at the reforms we've made over time, everything we're really proud of in our history has made democracy more inclusive.

Whether that was expanding the franchise to women, to minorities, to Native Americans, direct election of senators.

How centralized of a government do we want?

Our founders always feared too strong of a central government.

And that's why when you fast forward and you realize what the hell are we doing with this imperial presidency that we've basically created over the last 50 years and, you know, like 50, 70 years.

The most anti-democratic institutions in the United States are still the ones that hold us back.

The Senate, the Electoral College, and the structure of the Supreme Court.

I mean, we can you know, I do this.

The Senate sort of has a self-destruct button that Article 5 of the Constitution says that you're not even allowed to amend the Constitution in a way that would reduce the proportional power of the states.

This is one of those you want to talk about an unintended consequence and sort of a.

I'm going to age myself here, but one of my favorite old SNL skits was Coffee Talk.

And it wasn't really a skit, but it was just sort of basically the best part of Coffee Talk where Mike Myers played, I forget her name, but it was like Coffee Talk.

because I think our founders understood how deeply anti-democratic the Senate was and what the problem is.

We've introduced a bill to get around that in a sort of a sideways way by saying, let's create 12 nationally elected at-large senators so that the Senate would actually have a significant block of senators who had to be responsive to national public will as a way to fix that.

You know, it's like you'd throw out like a silly topic and it's like, okay, and discuss.

And then that would be the end of the segment.

But it would be, you know, television killed the Constitution.

The Supreme Court, I think on any objective analysis,

Discuss.

Right.