Chuck

Right. But a lot of these songwriters in particular, like I think Joan Baez, Bruce Springsteen, Boz Skaggs, all of them refused to let their music be covered by Muzak or any of its competitors. But Paul Simon, I saw, said he always knew he had a hit when he heard a Muzak version of it, like at the mall or something like that. Which is kind of like Weird Al covering Nirvana.

Like Kurt Cobain said that he knew that Nirvana had made it when Weird Al covered Smells Like Teen Spirit. I think it's basically the same thing.

Like Kurt Cobain said that he knew that Nirvana had made it when Weird Al covered Smells Like Teen Spirit. I think it's basically the same thing.

Like Kurt Cobain said that he knew that Nirvana had made it when Weird Al covered Smells Like Teen Spirit. I think it's basically the same thing.

Yeah, you'd have to. It's got to be cool, right? I just want to find out what somebody's going to do with it. Because like I was saying at the beginning, it really takes some creativity to come up with, okay, what can I replace this with that's not just completely predictable or boring, but also isn't going to grab everybody's attention. Because that's, again, not the point of Muzak.

Yeah, you'd have to. It's got to be cool, right? I just want to find out what somebody's going to do with it. Because like I was saying at the beginning, it really takes some creativity to come up with, okay, what can I replace this with that's not just completely predictable or boring, but also isn't going to grab everybody's attention. Because that's, again, not the point of Muzak.

Yeah, you'd have to. It's got to be cool, right? I just want to find out what somebody's going to do with it. Because like I was saying at the beginning, it really takes some creativity to come up with, okay, what can I replace this with that's not just completely predictable or boring, but also isn't going to grab everybody's attention. Because that's, again, not the point of Muzak.

It's one of the... I don't know if it was a slogan of the Muzak Corporation or not, but they basically said that they fill in the awkward pauses in life to where... That's good to say it. Yeah, you don't... It's like you were saying at the party. If you're at a party that doesn't have any music on, you just...

It's one of the... I don't know if it was a slogan of the Muzak Corporation or not, but they basically said that they fill in the awkward pauses in life to where... That's good to say it. Yeah, you don't... It's like you were saying at the party. If you're at a party that doesn't have any music on, you just...

It's one of the... I don't know if it was a slogan of the Muzak Corporation or not, but they basically said that they fill in the awkward pauses in life to where... That's good to say it. Yeah, you don't... It's like you were saying at the party. If you're at a party that doesn't have any music on, you just...

Probably just get smashed out of your skull because you're just trying to lubricate the social situation so much. Whereas if you put on music, it's like it takes a lot of that edge off. That was one of the points, too, with Muzak. And then also to kind of get you to linger a little longer when you were shopping in a store. That was part of it as well.

Probably just get smashed out of your skull because you're just trying to lubricate the social situation so much. Whereas if you put on music, it's like it takes a lot of that edge off. That was one of the points, too, with Muzak. And then also to kind of get you to linger a little longer when you were shopping in a store. That was part of it as well.

Probably just get smashed out of your skull because you're just trying to lubricate the social situation so much. Whereas if you put on music, it's like it takes a lot of that edge off. That was one of the points, too, with Muzak. And then also to kind of get you to linger a little longer when you were shopping in a store. That was part of it as well.

Right.

Right.

Right.

It can be strange for sure.

It can be strange for sure.

It can be strange for sure.

Yeah, we have reached basically the early 70s, which is Muzak's first crisis point. And we'll come back to that after this.