Chuck

I've heard it. I think it's probably both ways. I mean, unless you're his mom. I'm sure there's just one way to say if you're his mom. But, you know, he's dead. He doesn't care.

I've heard it. I think it's probably both ways. I mean, unless you're his mom. I'm sure there's just one way to say if you're his mom. But, you know, he's dead. He doesn't care.

I've heard it. I think it's probably both ways. I mean, unless you're his mom. I'm sure there's just one way to say if you're his mom. But, you know, he's dead. He doesn't care.

Perfect.

Perfect.

Perfect.

Yeah, and apparently even still today, that's where their official history ends, 1949. Anything after that, don't ask, Jack, or else they'll take you somewhere and render you. Yeah, politely. They will. So we should probably say that MI6 started, and I think when we did our Kim Philby episode, I said that MI6 stood for the Ministry of Intelligence. Yeah.

Yeah, and apparently even still today, that's where their official history ends, 1949. Anything after that, don't ask, Jack, or else they'll take you somewhere and render you. Yeah, politely. They will. So we should probably say that MI6 started, and I think when we did our Kim Philby episode, I said that MI6 stood for the Ministry of Intelligence. Yeah.

Yeah, and apparently even still today, that's where their official history ends, 1949. Anything after that, don't ask, Jack, or else they'll take you somewhere and render you. Yeah, politely. They will. So we should probably say that MI6 started, and I think when we did our Kim Philby episode, I said that MI6 stood for the Ministry of Intelligence. Yeah.

But it actually is military intelligence, which is, I think, like you said, what it grew out of originally. But the whole thing started, there was a scare, a German spy scare in Great Britain in the turn of the last century. Germany was this imperial power that was rising. So there was reason to be scared of them. But really, the whole reason came down to this guy named William LeCue.

But it actually is military intelligence, which is, I think, like you said, what it grew out of originally. But the whole thing started, there was a scare, a German spy scare in Great Britain in the turn of the last century. Germany was this imperial power that was rising. So there was reason to be scared of them. But really, the whole reason came down to this guy named William LeCue.

But it actually is military intelligence, which is, I think, like you said, what it grew out of originally. But the whole thing started, there was a scare, a German spy scare in Great Britain in the turn of the last century. Germany was this imperial power that was rising. So there was reason to be scared of them. But really, the whole reason came down to this guy named William LeCue.

He was a totally made up adventurer, soldier of fortune who was just as patriotic as you could get. He made up this huge backstory for himself to give himself credit. legitimacy. But really, he was just weaving these yarns saying essentially that Britain is sleeping right now and it's loaded with German spies. And if we don't wake up, we're going to get taken over by Germany.

He was a totally made up adventurer, soldier of fortune who was just as patriotic as you could get. He made up this huge backstory for himself to give himself credit. legitimacy. But really, he was just weaving these yarns saying essentially that Britain is sleeping right now and it's loaded with German spies. And if we don't wake up, we're going to get taken over by Germany.

He was a totally made up adventurer, soldier of fortune who was just as patriotic as you could get. He made up this huge backstory for himself to give himself credit. legitimacy. But really, he was just weaving these yarns saying essentially that Britain is sleeping right now and it's loaded with German spies. And if we don't wake up, we're going to get taken over by Germany.

And it just hit this perfect nerve in the British public, so much so that it directly led to the formation of what would become MI6 and MI5.

And it just hit this perfect nerve in the British public, so much so that it directly led to the formation of what would become MI6 and MI5.

And it just hit this perfect nerve in the British public, so much so that it directly led to the formation of what would become MI6 and MI5.

Yeah. And apparently, even though they are now publicly acknowledged by the government as existing, that hasn't changed very much still today. Like they do not you can't as a government official go to MI6 and be like, I demand these records of your torture program in the Iraq war. Right. They'll just say, we don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah. And apparently, even though they are now publicly acknowledged by the government as existing, that hasn't changed very much still today. Like they do not you can't as a government official go to MI6 and be like, I demand these records of your torture program in the Iraq war. Right. They'll just say, we don't know what you're talking about.