Chuck

Yeah, we'll get into the bad news for sure.

But the thing that I was a little surprised about from the outside is that I would have thought that this was ancient, like the Sumerians doing stuff like this.

And it turns out, no, Sumerians forward all the way into the Enlightenment period in Europe,

just killed people.

They hung you or they cut your hand off or they put you in the stocks, maybe.

The stocks were a non-lethal form of punishment and you would be ridiculed by your neighbors.

And then a guy named Thomas Moore wrote a book called Utopia.

And he said, there's a better way, people.

There's an alternative to just killing people or cutting off their hands or

What if we just put them to work?

There's all sorts of benefits and upsides to this.

And they said, well, what are they, Thomas Morey?

He said, let me tell you, I'm glad you asked.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like we can really use that labor, especially if you put a bunch of people together and make them work for free.

You can get a lot of stuff done.

And that is a fairly new form of punishment.

It wasn't like immediately adopted after Thomas More wrote Utopia.

He wrote it in the 16th century.