Chuck

Yeah. You know, here's the thing. I never thought about – seen so many stories on this kind of thing. We've read so many books and seen so many movies about double agents and people, you know, lying for cover. But I always think about like, oh yeah, to live that lie and to keep that up, that must be hard. Until we did this episode, I never thought about how hard that would be to just

Yeah. You know, here's the thing. I never thought about – seen so many stories on this kind of thing. We've read so many books and seen so many movies about double agents and people, you know, lying for cover. But I always think about like, oh yeah, to live that lie and to keep that up, that must be hard. Until we did this episode, I never thought about how hard that would be to just

Yeah. You know, here's the thing. I never thought about – seen so many stories on this kind of thing. We've read so many books and seen so many movies about double agents and people, you know, lying for cover. But I always think about like, oh yeah, to live that lie and to keep that up, that must be hard. Until we did this episode, I never thought about how hard that would be to just

like be sleeping with the enemy essentially full time. And like all your friends, all your social circle, everything that comes out of your mouth, like it has to be the thing that you hate the most. Right. It's incredible. I never considered how hard that would be.

like be sleeping with the enemy essentially full time. And like all your friends, all your social circle, everything that comes out of your mouth, like it has to be the thing that you hate the most. Right. It's incredible. I never considered how hard that would be.

like be sleeping with the enemy essentially full time. And like all your friends, all your social circle, everything that comes out of your mouth, like it has to be the thing that you hate the most. Right. It's incredible. I never considered how hard that would be.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

J-O-U-R-N-A-L-I-S-M. Right.

J-O-U-R-N-A-L-I-S-M. Right.

J-O-U-R-N-A-L-I-S-M. Right.

Yeah, and it's just further reinforced the more he does it because he's not printing that stuff. So you're like, oh, Philby can really be trusted because I told him all this off-the-record stuff and he's not printing it. This guy's great.

Yeah, and it's just further reinforced the more he does it because he's not printing that stuff. So you're like, oh, Philby can really be trusted because I told him all this off-the-record stuff and he's not printing it. This guy's great.

Yeah, and it's just further reinforced the more he does it because he's not printing that stuff. So you're like, oh, Philby can really be trusted because I told him all this off-the-record stuff and he's not printing it. This guy's great.

So to to sort of bulk up his cover, he got this job at the Anglo-German Trade Gazette, which was a British newspaper, but it was at least in part financed by the Nazis. And it was about just trying to get trade relations between Britain and Germany. It was like a friendly newspaper between them. Yeah. So he had to, you know, play this role of sort of quasi Nazi sympathizer.

So to to sort of bulk up his cover, he got this job at the Anglo-German Trade Gazette, which was a British newspaper, but it was at least in part financed by the Nazis. And it was about just trying to get trade relations between Britain and Germany. It was like a friendly newspaper between them. Yeah. So he had to, you know, play this role of sort of quasi Nazi sympathizer.

So to to sort of bulk up his cover, he got this job at the Anglo-German Trade Gazette, which was a British newspaper, but it was at least in part financed by the Nazis. And it was about just trying to get trade relations between Britain and Germany. It was like a friendly newspaper between them. Yeah. So he had to, you know, play this role of sort of quasi Nazi sympathizer.

And lose all of his friends in his life because all of his friends were these, you know, sort of fellow ideologically aligned people, fellow leftists, maybe not all of them communists. But he wasn't hanging out with these people until he started doing this, this right wing sort of Nazi sympathizing group.

And lose all of his friends in his life because all of his friends were these, you know, sort of fellow ideologically aligned people, fellow leftists, maybe not all of them communists. But he wasn't hanging out with these people until he started doing this, this right wing sort of Nazi sympathizing group.