Ciarán Cannon

is overcoming the barriers that stop people acting on that belief.

And that's the issue.

So we shouldn't read this survey, I think, as evidence that Irish people don't want to cycle.

In many ways, I think it shows kind of the exact opposite.

People recognise the benefits.

But what they're telling us clearly is that while that infrastructure is being developed, and bearing in mind, Matt, we're a long way off,

other European countries when it comes to the development of infrastructure.

But they're telling us clearly that if we build it, they will come.

And the experience from every single successful country in the world, particularly in our neighbours here in Europe, is that when you build safe, segregated cycleways, people will cycle.

A wonderful example of that, only a thousand kilometres away in the Netherlands.

They weren't all as a cycling country.

The Netherlands made a conscious decision.

Well, in fact, they were forced by parents who protested at the appalling death of children cycling on their roads back in the 1960s and 70s.

And they changed and they said, we are going to make it safe for everybody, children, men, women, to cycle on our streets and our roads.

And they built a remarkable network.

And if you think

Right now in Ireland, we have roughly about 2,000 kilometres of safe, segregated cycleway in the Republic.

The Netherlands, which is roughly about the size of Munster and Leinster combined, has 35,000 kilometres of cycleway.

So we're on the cusp of something really special, really unique.

And what this survey is telling us is people want more of that.