Ciarán Cudahy

Now, listen, people would find ways of working around it like they do anything, but that's a separate argument we might get into in a moment.

Do you mind me asking, though, Leo, the nature of the issue you had when you said it kind of led you down some negative holes?

Oh, yes, yes.

Sorry, we just lost you there.

So, sorry, you were saying, anyway, the jokes and the way the algorithm works, then you get bombarded with the same content over and over again.

I mean, what was the nature of the content that you were being bombarded with?

Did you get help to deal with all that?

And what do you say though, Leo, to your name, say to the other Leo we've been speaking to and to Aisling as well, who I don't think they deny any of what you're saying and they're both here, they're both listening and guys feel free to jump in but I don't think they would deny any of it but they'd still say, listen, there's loads of positives there and there's lots of support networks out there for people and lots of other people have a positive experience of social media and

you throw out the baby with the bathwater to a degree by banning it.

Yeah, this is the other Leo.

The first Leo, I'll call you.

Yeah.

Leo, too.

What do you say to that argument?

And the point I made earlier with Leo as well, that I've heard this in the context of Australia, that we're going about this the wrong way, that we actually should be tackling the companies, the addictive nature of the algorithm, the fact that when you go on and you look up GetFit videos, you end up with inspiration or you look up breakup content, you end up with...

suicidal ideation or dating brings it to sexualized material and then you're bombarded with it.

You dismantle all of that and actually you'd solve a lot of the problems.

What do you say to that?

I think... Sorry, Leo, I know it's a cut across here, but there's just so many people getting in touch, and I want to bring in Eimear from Smart from Free Ireland.

Eimear, you and I have spoken before.