Ciarán

If you're holding a knife every day of the week, chopping vegetables or peeling spuds or whatever it happens to be, sticking one in your pocket then in the night, you possibly, these lads you end up treating, some of whom

end up not surviving, that they don't appreciate that it's a potential murder weapon that they've stuck down the back of their belt.

Oh, my God.

I'm going to have to take a short break in a moment, Shane, but I just want to ask one thing, because you said it right at the outset when you came back from Australia and you had this feeling that something had changed.

But I'm struck that you didn't go on Liveline to talk about your feelings.

You collected the data and evidence of it first.

It feels like it's difficult to talk about

a culture here of knife crime when we don't collect that data.

You know, it seems like an obvious thing to try and collect.

I mean, even if the data shows actually there's no culture of it, there's no increase.

We don't know.

We're kind of operating slightly in the dark here.

Yeah, maybe I'm naive.

I'm still shook by that app, the bicycle spoke.

Phenomenal.

Shane, stay with us.

Stephen, you too as well.

51551, the text number.

087 484 888 is the number if you want to get in touch.

That's the WhatsApp number.