Ciarán Cudahy

Because I know you were listening to the conversation to some of the younger people we spoke to earlier, to Leo and Aisling and others who said that, yeah, listen, there are negative things, but it's great.

It's a social outlet.

It allows us a platform to express ourselves, to get to know ourselves, to find like-minded people.

If you're in a...

Ah, it wasn't.

It was crap.

The 80s were crap, Alva.

Go all the way out of that.

Can he buy new tapes?

Or does he have to listen to your old tapes?

The only thing we'll find in the struggle is... So, sorry, Alba, I'm sorry now, but he can source any tape he wants and he's still listening to Phil Collins.

There's no accounting for taste.

Anyway, listen, we'll take a quick break.

I can hear you perfectly.

Can you hear me?

I am terrified of it for my grandchildren.

Do you think too many people have their head in the sand about this?

Well, I don't think we talk about it very much.

When do you think that horror is going to manifest?

you know, for these boys when they grow up.