Ciarán

I suspect there are very, very few people ever prosecuted for it.

But part of the reason for that might be because there's nowhere to put them.

But there is nowhere to put them.

I do, because I do.

Sorry, Bobby, I do, because the prison service daily produce reports on how many people are in the prisons, and most of them are at 110% capacity.

We have the same number of prison spaces as we had when the population was about 3 million, and the population is now well over 5 million.

We need another prison, but we don't have one.

But if you if you kind of took the reins off the Gardaí and allowed them to police a bit more robustly, how would that solve the mental health problems of people?

But you do you do accept mental health is a real problem, don't you?

I don't live in any of those places.

It could well exist there.

That's the problem.

So what's a more robust Garda intervention?

What does that look like?

But there'd still be a heroin addict after it.

No, but I mean, it doesn't.

Absolutely.

But I guess what I'm talking about is dealing not just with the symptoms of crime, but dealing with the causes of it.

Thanks a million.

Sorry for making such a... No, you're all right, Bobby.