Ciarán

So why is it this specific one?

What is it about specifically about car parking?

I know, but I asked about if clampers didn't exist and parking fines did.

You said you still wouldn't pay them.

So this is a world where there's no such thing as clampers and you still wouldn't pay the fines.

And don't tell me you hate clampers.

So you don't want the rules to be rules, you want them to be kind of guidelines.

How much grace should they give you?

And what if you're, OK, 15 minutes.

What if you're 16 minutes over?

You'd be, if you're 60, if they give you 15 minutes grace, you're 16 minutes over, you'd pay your fine.

No, but people do.

I don't know.

And I appreciate you being so honest about it.

I'm just kind of amazed at how you've decided that private car parks shouldn't charge you for parking in them.

All right.

Athena Fogg, Councillor.

Keith, do you think we should get rid of the clamps?

We used to have parking tickets, though, before we had clamps.

What was the rationale for the changeover and why would it work to go back?