CJ Toledano

You got to have a certain amount of ego to kind of, you know, be a CEO, entrepreneur and make things happen.

Ego can be healthy when used the right way.

But then, you know, sometimes you stand on your ego so long and realize that's all you're standing on is your ego.

Yeah, we talk about ego being good when you balance it correctly.

I think Dame in the early days of what we saw,

he was balancing his ego for good at that time.

Like, it was positive to protect his label against their partner that may be doing some things that he didn't agree with.

The ego was used for good at that time.

The bad ego, I feel like, has just taken over at this point that it's taken away critical thinking and logic from everything.

Because even I, fuck the whole broke thing.

You're telling Jay...

The only reason you'd be up there performing is because you're broke.

But then at the end of the clip, you're saying, why doesn't Jay do anything creative anymore?

Celebrating your 30th and 25th anniversary with a show is creativity.

So is it Uchiwali or one mic?

Should you do something creative?

Or if you do something creative, it means you're broke.

Which one is it?

And on top of that, I would challenge Art of Dialogue to ask Dame.

If the Black Keys, which the album he executive produced with Black Keys is a great album.