Claire Donald

And it's just the sense that nowhere was safe.

And this dark time was also very present in Joan's personal life.

Oh, no, John.

John, what'd you do?

We are going to talk about what was going on in Joan's personal life after our break.

So come back.

Okay, we are back.

So the 60s are crazy.

Yeah.

They're crazy culturally and they're crazy personally for Joan.

Oh, no.

so she begins experiencing some strange physical and psychological symptoms she had episodes of vertigo um she also experiences emotional disassociation this sounds like hell so she feels detached from reality she later describes feeling like she was watching herself from outside of her body

Oh, God.

It makes me feel so uneasy.

I mean, that truly does happen to people.

Yes.

Like, what... This kind of just came... I mean, if someone told me, like, you're about to be murdered in your family, maybe this would... This just naturally is the next step.

But, like, what is going on?

I mean, I think she always struggled with a little bit of depression and anxiety.

I also do think the Manson murders, like...