Clare Byrne

Thanks so much for joining us.

Paul, thank you very much for bringing us up to speed on all of that.

Paul Healy there, crime correspondent with the Irish Mirror.

My next guest who's sitting here with me in the studio has sold over 12 million books worldwide.

And those books have been published in more than 30 languages.

And her twisty, turny storylines leave you turning the pages long after you promised yourself that you'd turn in for the night.

And I say that from personal experience.

Her new book is called It Could Have Been Her.

I am.

And she's with me here in the studio, Lisa Jewell.

Lisa, the reason I said that about, you know, the book, I forgot to bring your book with me today because I was very late last night, way past my bedtime.

And you do that thing where you write nice short chapters.

Yes.

So I say to myself, I'll just do one more.

I'll just do one more.

And the next thing it's 11 o'clock.

It's such a skill, though, isn't it?

Did you have to learn how to do that for thriller type books?

So when you see authors who plot out their storylines and they've everything charted, that's just, that's not you.

That doesn't work for you.