Clare Dunne

And something so like interconnected with like humanity.

I hate the word industry.

It's like we're not going into a factory.

And like, you know what I mean?

It's something far deeper than the word industry.

And so like I was though on that track of like, oh yeah, no, I need to make it.

I need to go up.

Not going up, though, because they keep saying no, keep saying no.

Like, so there was this really tough time just just coming up to herself.

And it was just hard to retain my belief in something that was calling me underneath it, which was just the story, the story, the story.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

It's just, it'll wake you up in the morning though.

If the idea is still coming to you, even if you had those knockdowns like I had early.

Like, then you're just like, I hear like...

It's clearly, it's still around me.

Like if, I don't know, a good book to read, it's cheesy, but it is called Big Magic.

It's by Elizabeth Gilbert.

And that's much more about like, I guess, creative ideas on a level.

But she talks about them as almost like it's a seed in the, like it's a plant or something.