Clare Stephens

Agree.

Agree.

And that's exactly what Louis has said in interviews since, that that line is really, really unclear and that these ideas have been around.

You could recite what these men say.

It's been around for decades and decades, but they were in like pickup artist books where maybe some... Iceman and all that.

Yeah, however many people would read them.

The problem now is that the more radical you are and the more extreme you are and the more offensive you are... The more attention you get.

The more attention you get.

Exactly.

And so basically Louis' point that he said in these interviews is that

It's really a question of policy and of algorithms, which is interesting because Australia is trying to do that.

And I kind of think, I don't know if it's working.

There's no 40-year-old men who are like, hey, Jazz TikToky, here's my son.

Like that's not happening.

Definitely, definitely.

And he, I think, is a testament to the fact that people really do recite these views.

Yeah, he's actually a little bit old for the demo, the bloody Tyson.

I do reckon what Louis was very good at exposing was that at the underbelly of all of this is

is selling stuff to teenagers.

And so you say, Holly, that your flag for your son is going to be, if they're trying to put other people down, my flag.