Clarence Jones

And so I wanna say that upfront is that, sometimes in this particular topic, people like to say, well, it's their fault or our fault or whatever else, but this is a conversation that I think that we have to be really honest about, that there are some real gaps around health disparities that we as a community have to address that will benefit us by addressing them.

And so I wanna say that upfront is that, sometimes in this particular topic, people like to say, well, it's their fault or our fault or whatever else, but this is a conversation that I think that we have to be really honest about, that there are some real gaps around health disparities that we as a community have to address that will benefit us by addressing them.

So that was just my comment, because I can get very pointed at times. But I'm not blaming folk. I'm just saying, hey, we have some realities that we have to talk about. So, Sam, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

So that was just my comment, because I can get very pointed at times. But I'm not blaming folk. I'm just saying, hey, we have some realities that we have to talk about. So, Sam, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

I love this thread of conversation. I do too. Thank you, Barry. Barry, thank you. And Miguel, thank you. Because as you know, I started off my conversation, my initial remark by saying, I'm not pointing fingers. It's very important not to point fingers in this particular conversation.

I love this thread of conversation. I do too. Thank you, Barry. Barry, thank you. And Miguel, thank you. Because as you know, I started off my conversation, my initial remark by saying, I'm not pointing fingers. It's very important not to point fingers in this particular conversation.

But I do hear this thing about cultural competency and people saying, well, you know, one group of people can work well with their group of people and those kinds of things. But the reality is that we don't necessarily have those medical people in place like that. So what are we looking for? We're looking for accurate and appropriate information. We're looking for authenticity.

But I do hear this thing about cultural competency and people saying, well, you know, one group of people can work well with their group of people and those kinds of things. But the reality is that we don't necessarily have those medical people in place like that. So what are we looking for? We're looking for accurate and appropriate information. We're looking for authenticity.

And so many times people will say, well, you would work better with a doctor that looks like you. That may or may not be true. What we're looking for in this particular case in order to address health disparities is an honest conversation. An authentic doctor, somebody that comes in and says, look, I don't understand those things, but I do know that I, I'm going to show you that I care for you.

And so many times people will say, well, you would work better with a doctor that looks like you. That may or may not be true. What we're looking for in this particular case in order to address health disparities is an honest conversation. An authentic doctor, somebody that comes in and says, look, I don't understand those things, but I do know that I, I'm going to show you that I care for you.

And I think that that's one of the places where we, we miss this is that it, by, by saying that, well, you would be better served by someone from your own group. It allows you not to serve most appropriately.

And I think that that's one of the places where we, we miss this is that it, by, by saying that, well, you would be better served by someone from your own group. It allows you not to serve most appropriately.

So I just, so I, that's why I say this is a conversation, you know, that we have to have because some people you're not comfortable with serving certain kinds of people, but I think you can say that. Yeah.

So I just, so I, that's why I say this is a conversation, you know, that we have to have because some people you're not comfortable with serving certain kinds of people, but I think you can say that. Yeah.

I tell you what, I know we're coming to the end of our show. Miguel and Barry and everyone, I thank you for this great conversation. It was very authentic. I like that. And Miguel, I'm going to take away a couple of your sayings, like building the house from the foundation versus a roof. I mean, it's like, that's good stuff. So thank you very much. And we definitely appreciate it.

I tell you what, I know we're coming to the end of our show. Miguel and Barry and everyone, I thank you for this great conversation. It was very authentic. I like that. And Miguel, I'm going to take away a couple of your sayings, like building the house from the foundation versus a roof. I mean, it's like, that's good stuff. So thank you very much. And we definitely appreciate it.

I definitely appreciate the authentic engagement. That, for me, is how we're going to move the needle around healthcare. We don't have to be afraid, you know, of saying what we really feel, you know, authentically and respectfully. And that, I think, is how we make it. So thank you for being on the show.

I definitely appreciate the authentic engagement. That, for me, is how we're going to move the needle around healthcare. We don't have to be afraid, you know, of saying what we really feel, you know, authentically and respectfully. And that, I think, is how we make it. So thank you for being on the show.

Hey, thanks, Dan, and welcome to all of you who are listening to our show. Michelle Chizzo, who is the State Infant Health and Mortality Reduction Specialist at the Minnesota Department of Health, is our guest today. And I'm really excited about having her here because maternal child health or infant mortality was how I actually entered into this nonprofit world. It was an eye-opener for me

Hey, thanks, Dan, and welcome to all of you who are listening to our show. Michelle Chizzo, who is the State Infant Health and Mortality Reduction Specialist at the Minnesota Department of Health, is our guest today. And I'm really excited about having her here because maternal child health or infant mortality was how I actually entered into this nonprofit world. It was an eye-opener for me