Clas Svahn

Townsend Brown.

There's a guy named Townsend Brown.

Okay, okay, Townsend Brown.

I want to look that up.

The holy grail of physics involves the unification of the four fundamental forces, which includes finding a missing link between electromagnetism and gravity.

Einstein actually spent the latter half of his career trying to solve for this mathematically.

It is my belief that this spooky inventor may have experimentally discovered this long-sought link.

Which UFO case impacted you the most and changed your life the most?

I grew up with the Barney and Betty Hill case, of course, and that was hugely important to me.

And when I met Betty many years ago in the early, middle of the 80s, I got a quite new view on her.

So it's important to meet with the witnesses.

What was your new view on her when you met with her?

Yeah, well, I was...

Most geologists, and if you read the books, it says that Betty Hill was not interested in UFOs at all before the encounter the Indian had.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But she was.

Really?

And not only that.

She told me that she was sitting on the porch together with her, I think it was sister, whatever.

It was a relative.