Clas Svahn

Yeah, I'm inspired by, of course, we had said Jacques Vallée, but Chris Orbeck is a very, very good researcher.

He's the best researcher when it comes to old cases.

Yes.

He's fantastic.

His books are fantastic.

And one of his latest books called Saucers shows that the saucer shape is so scarce that

It's not very much reported.

Yes.

Still, people talk about flying saucers sometimes and think that it should be saucer-like.

But it's only a fraction of all the observations that are saucer-like.

Yeah, even if you look at where the saucer came from, you know, the Kenneth Arnold case, it wasn't really saucers.

They kind of looked more like Horton wing... Yeah, they were crescents.

Crescents, yeah.

like ninja stars or something yeah yeah yeah so it's interesting do you think um you know carl jung wrote a book about flying saucers are you familiar with this and he said that you know that was the the mandala which was the sanskrit symbol of psychic completeness is represented in the ufo archetype he talks about and

In a way, I understand him, but I don't think he's very important to you for research.

Yeah.

But of course, if you're living in society, you are telling the stories that society can manage to listen to.

Yes.

And we are conforming.

all the time so it's not strange that those airships in the 1800s yes and full fighters and then ghost rockets and now spaceships it's just that we are using the words we have the most high-tech thing we can think of yes so i don't think it must be anything of that but what's also just john mack you know harvard um you know head of the psychiatry department there he would say that the