Claudia Oshry

And I feel like now it's like the image, it's just not adding up.

And I feel like we've chalked it up to her changing lanes a lot of times, you know?

Like, oh, she's gonna try and be the reality.

Yeah, but it's also just, it just is so incongruous to be like one way when she's hosting the show where it's like this warm, safe place and everybody's feelings matter.

And then she's talking to Forbes and she's like, you've gotta be ruthless.

Well, that's the other thing that, of course.

Yeah.

And also the sorts of things that she talks about all the time.

just like all of this, you know, I guess flops.

Yeah.

But putting them together when I feel like she's done a really good job and as you should do in business of like,

And I think the difference for her is like, because she's gotten so much money from her podcast deals, she can put so much money into one.

Well, so the smoke and mirrors are very expensive smoke and expensive mirrors.

And like, there is a cup, they bought themselves a company there, you know, other people, they don't have that capital to just keep funneling it into the business.

But like between $60 million from Spotify and like a hundred ish from serious, like that's a lot of money to like, you know, build a company and then get the things that make it successful.

Yeah.

I don't know.

That part, I just can't relate to.

Yeah, like we have to monetize the audience.

And you could have, like, lived on that forever.