Claudina Bade

One consequence we're seeing is the kind of people who thrive in this age. Yes. Obviously, Donald Trump. You mention Elon Musk a lot in the book, which I think is a specific point. Like, the Trump point is kind of obvious. Like, why someone like that thrives in an age of attention, I think we intuitively understand that. Musk is a little more complicated.

One consequence we're seeing is the kind of people who thrive in this age. Yes. Obviously, Donald Trump. You mention Elon Musk a lot in the book, which I think is a specific point. Like, the Trump point is kind of obvious. Like, why someone like that thrives in an age of attention, I think we intuitively understand that. Musk is a little more complicated.

One consequence we're seeing is the kind of people who thrive in this age. Yes. Obviously, Donald Trump. You mention Elon Musk a lot in the book, which I think is a specific point. Like, the Trump point is kind of obvious. Like, why someone like that thrives in an age of attention, I think we intuitively understand that. Musk is a little more complicated.

What do you mean? What do you define as the Musk era?

What do you mean? What do you define as the Musk era?

What do you mean? What do you define as the Musk era?

That seems so huge and overpowering. I mean, there's a way of listening to you and reading this book and fully seeing it. Like, we can see the train wreck in our own lives and sort of out there in the world. But you might read the book and think, okay, this is my own ordeal, like something I have to combat. I have to put my phone away. I have to chain myself to the trees or whatever.

That seems so huge and overpowering. I mean, there's a way of listening to you and reading this book and fully seeing it. Like, we can see the train wreck in our own lives and sort of out there in the world. But you might read the book and think, okay, this is my own ordeal, like something I have to combat. I have to put my phone away. I have to chain myself to the trees or whatever.

That seems so huge and overpowering. I mean, there's a way of listening to you and reading this book and fully seeing it. Like, we can see the train wreck in our own lives and sort of out there in the world. But you might read the book and think, okay, this is my own ordeal, like something I have to combat. I have to put my phone away. I have to chain myself to the trees or whatever.

Do you think we're being exploited and we should be mad about it?

Do you think we're being exploited and we should be mad about it?

Do you think we're being exploited and we should be mad about it?

Well, I take hope in the schools. I mean, schools not just in the U.S., but all over the world are starting to get pretty serious about no phones at all during class time, which is radical. If you're a teenager, that's a radical change in your life. So that's hopeful. I will say one thing your book has really done for me very concretely is make me appreciate my group chats.

Well, I take hope in the schools. I mean, schools not just in the U.S., but all over the world are starting to get pretty serious about no phones at all during class time, which is radical. If you're a teenager, that's a radical change in your life. So that's hopeful. I will say one thing your book has really done for me very concretely is make me appreciate my group chats.

Well, I take hope in the schools. I mean, schools not just in the U.S., but all over the world are starting to get pretty serious about no phones at all during class time, which is radical. If you're a teenager, that's a radical change in your life. So that's hopeful. I will say one thing your book has really done for me very concretely is make me appreciate my group chats.

I like after I read your book, I went back and I like thanked, you know, I thought, oh, you know, I've got a couple of group chats that are so fun. And I just went and thanked everybody on them.

I like after I read your book, I went back and I like thanked, you know, I thought, oh, you know, I've got a couple of group chats that are so fun. And I just went and thanked everybody on them.

I like after I read your book, I went back and I like thanked, you know, I thought, oh, you know, I've got a couple of group chats that are so fun. And I just went and thanked everybody on them.

Okay, everyone listening, go do more group chats. Just go engage in your group chats. And Chris, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you for writing this book and explaining this all to us.

Okay, everyone listening, go do more group chats. Just go engage in your group chats. And Chris, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you for writing this book and explaining this all to us.