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Clay Risen

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Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

attorney general's list of subversive organizations. They wanted, you know, the next step, which was tell me who in this case in Hollywood is suspect. And so the book had, you know, it's like it's just a directory. And you would go through and say, okay, well, Kirk Douglas, okay, what is his, you know, here, here and here, Aaron Copland. Oh, Aaron Copland was

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

attorney general's list of subversive organizations. They wanted, you know, the next step, which was tell me who in this case in Hollywood is suspect. And so the book had, you know, it's like it's just a directory. And you would go through and say, okay, well, Kirk Douglas, okay, what is his, you know, here, here and here, Aaron Copland. Oh, Aaron Copland was

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

was in the greeting committee for Dmitry Shostakovich when he came and toured the United States. Well, Shostakovich is a Soviet composer. That makes Copland suspect. And this then was sold. Anybody could buy it. I know people, I need to find a copy myself. I mean, I've seen one, but I know people who have copies. It's kind of a cool little thing.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

was in the greeting committee for Dmitry Shostakovich when he came and toured the United States. Well, Shostakovich is a Soviet composer. That makes Copland suspect. And this then was sold. Anybody could buy it. I know people, I need to find a copy myself. I mean, I've seen one, but I know people who have copies. It's kind of a cool little thing.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

was in the greeting committee for Dmitry Shostakovich when he came and toured the United States. Well, Shostakovich is a Soviet composer. That makes Copland suspect. And this then was sold. Anybody could buy it. I know people, I need to find a copy myself. I mean, I've seen one, but I know people who have copies. It's kind of a cool little thing.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

But that would then be used by local radio stations. It would be used by the American Legion. If there was someone in red channels, then they would be protested if they came through in a performance or appeared in a movie. And there was never really an investigation. People weren't curious about, well, how good is this information?

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

But that would then be used by local radio stations. It would be used by the American Legion. If there was someone in red channels, then they would be protested if they came through in a performance or appeared in a movie. And there was never really an investigation. People weren't curious about, well, how good is this information?

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

But that would then be used by local radio stations. It would be used by the American Legion. If there was someone in red channels, then they would be protested if they came through in a performance or appeared in a movie. And there was never really an investigation. People weren't curious about, well, how good is this information?

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

Or what does it mean to be on the welcoming committee for Shostakovich? It was just taken. Well, therefore, Copeland is suspect. And it was an important part. It became, as you said, sort of the de facto blacklist. What I found was interesting was then there were all these knockoff red channels that were purported to tell the true story, that red channels didn't go far enough.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

Or what does it mean to be on the welcoming committee for Shostakovich? It was just taken. Well, therefore, Copeland is suspect. And it was an important part. It became, as you said, sort of the de facto blacklist. What I found was interesting was then there were all these knockoff red channels that were purported to tell the true story, that red channels didn't go far enough.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

Or what does it mean to be on the welcoming committee for Shostakovich? It was just taken. Well, therefore, Copeland is suspect. And it was an important part. It became, as you said, sort of the de facto blacklist. What I found was interesting was then there were all these knockoff red channels that were purported to tell the true story, that red channels didn't go far enough.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

And so you had these sort of, you know, second, third tier, you know, red hunters for hire.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

And so you had these sort of, you know, second, third tier, you know, red hunters for hire.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

And so you had these sort of, you know, second, third tier, you know, red hunters for hire.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

And it was like doxing, you know, I mean, and because sometimes now red channels didn't have addresses, but then people would take it upon themselves to draw up a list of addresses and say, okay, well, you know, here is where all of the, you know, subversives listed in red channels lives in your neighborhood, right? And people would get protested.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

And it was like doxing, you know, I mean, and because sometimes now red channels didn't have addresses, but then people would take it upon themselves to draw up a list of addresses and say, okay, well, you know, here is where all of the, you know, subversives listed in red channels lives in your neighborhood, right? And people would get protested.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

And it was like doxing, you know, I mean, and because sometimes now red channels didn't have addresses, but then people would take it upon themselves to draw up a list of addresses and say, okay, well, you know, here is where all of the, you know, subversives listed in red channels lives in your neighborhood, right? And people would get protested.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

Dalton Trumbo, who was famous enough, no one needed to tell anyone where he lived, but he found dead animals and a bag of feces floating in his pool. You know, people had windows shattered. There was, you know, there was violence running through the Red Scare at the very grassroots level.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

Dalton Trumbo, who was famous enough, no one needed to tell anyone where he lived, but he found dead animals and a bag of feces floating in his pool. You know, people had windows shattered. There was, you know, there was violence running through the Red Scare at the very grassroots level.

Fresh Air
The Red Scare & America's Conspiratorial Politics

Dalton Trumbo, who was famous enough, no one needed to tell anyone where he lived, but he found dead animals and a bag of feces floating in his pool. You know, people had windows shattered. There was, you know, there was violence running through the Red Scare at the very grassroots level.