Cliff Sims

topic yeah we would certainly you know talk through what we do and and you know more often than not you just don't even respond um to those kind of things but it's a again it created some very unique challenges from a communication standpoint that i've never experienced before i'll bet so i mean so did you have insight into

Well, I would say not, nobody really does.

Nobody really does, just because the scale of it is so vast.

And I didn't need to know, you know, everything.

But certainly most of the things that were flowing into the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, I would have been in the room for.

So I actually talk about that a little bit in my new book.

Really?

But it's not going to be very satisfying to anybody.

Oh, man, come on.

Well, you know, everybody who's ever been at, you know, wondered what goes on in the White House or wondered what goes on at CIA or always wonders, like,

are these normal people there?

Or are these like, you know, aren't you curious too about all these things?

And the answer is, yeah.

When we got there, the first thing I said is, all right, somebody wheel out the bodies.

what's what with this?

I mean, how can you not be curious?

How can you not be curious about the JFK files?

How can you not be curious about, I mean, go down the list of these kind of legendary, you know, call them conspiracy theories, call them whatever you want, like we want to know.

So when we got there, we wanted to know, you know, they call it the UAP program, unmanned aerial or unidentified aerial phenomenon or whatever they call them now, the euphemism for UFOs.

So the people who brief on these programs come to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.