Cliff Sims

And that was 2015.

Had a good interview.

It actually went viral because it was the middle of the summer and out of nowhere, Trump started riffing on Christmas, saying that, you know, we're not allowed to say Christmas anymore.

They want us to say happy holidays.

And then, you know, when I get in there, we're going to bring Christmas back.

I can't remember what month it was, like June at that time.

But I was like, okay.

So the interview went viral.

And about a year later, you know,

Senator Jeff Sessions, who became Trump's attorney general, I had known him very well, because I covered him as an Alabama politician.

He called me and said, you know, they're trying to fill out the team up there in the Camp Trump campaign.

And I really think you should consider going, taking a leave of absence and go and work on the campaign.

And if he doesn't win, you go back to running your company.

But if he does, like, who knows where it could lead?

And so I thought I was going to have maybe a few-month experience up there working in Trump Tower for the president, and it really changed the trajectory of my life, to say the least.

So that's how I ended up in Trump world, ended up in the White House, and later ended up as deputy DNI.

Radio news network, like a syndicated network, the online media hub, the whole deal.

Yeah, it was...

It wasn't hard.

And really the reason was, I'm all about experiences in life.