Cliff Sims

It's a CEO of the largest companies in the world, the most famous entrepreneurs, all of those.

So you're seeing how do these people operate?

How do they run meetings?

How do they conduct themselves?

What questions do they ask?

What's their demeanor?

I mean, everything.

I've seen how kings comport themselves in private meetings.

I've seen how dictators comport themselves in private meetings.

I've seen how democratically elected presidents and prime ministers conduct themselves.

And I've seen how Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos conduct themselves and everybody in between.

And the extraordinary thing about that is you realize

Well, I remember a meeting that we were having in the cabinet room of the White House.

And the meeting was, honestly, I can't even remember the topic, but it's the type of people that I'm talking about.

It's people at the tippy top of their field.

And there was a moment where I realized that no one here knows what to do right now.

No one knows what decision to make.

There's not an obvious decision here.

It's a tough decision.

And no one here in the moment knows what to do.