Cliff Sims

What's he like?

What are you doing there?

And it feeds that ego nonstop, it's constant.

So if you don't have anybody around you anymore who doesn't give a crap about that,

it's just constantly being reinforced to the point that you just even forget that that's not what things are all about.

Yeah, I mean, my wife, I didn't change the way that I spoke to my wife.

Coming home, my wife wasn't like, what's wrong with you?

Why are you treating me differently?

So it was kind of like siloed in a way.

It's professional ambition.

And in some, or-

In some ways, it's even things that the world doesn't say is bad.

So if you're an alcoholic, that's bad.

If you're a drug addict, that's bad.

Oh, you run around cheating on your wife, that's bad.

But if you're really ambitious and you're trying to fight your way up the ladder, you're trying to build a company or you're trying to do something remarkable,

Who says that's bad?

Nobody stops you and says, don't climb so high.

They say, wow, how'd you get there?

Keep going.