Cliff Sims

And I'm like looking at the memorial wall and I'm looking at the Book of Honor with the names of the people who've, you know, given their lives in service to their country there and the CIA seal in the hallway there.

And I'm walking all the way through.

I'm looking at the CIA museum.

I'm like going through stuff I've never had a reason to look at while I'm there just to kind of soak it all in because I thought that the day that I walk out these doors that I'm,

It's never gonna be, nothing I do will ever be this cool, this important, this great again.

And that was ego talking, but it's also not true because if you are truly doing anything that you're doing in life as unto God and not for men, it doesn't matter if you're working at the White House or at a coffee house.

You can find meaning in that work because your work becomes an overflow of worship.

And it changed my perspective on work, which is why I genuinely think that was the best thing that could have possibly happened to me, being attacked by the president of the United States in that way, and losing the things that I had allowed to define me in my job.

Because otherwise, what would have ever broken that?

mentality in me.

And so a big part of the book that I've written now is talking about wrestling with that in a way so that other people can have the same perspective that it took me going through that to gain for myself.

Interesting.

It was about Trump.

It was a Trump insider writing about Trump.

So it's the biggest story in the world and all the people wanted to hear about it and all the news outlets want to cover it.

And, you know, it's really, really hilarious now reading the Amazon reviews of that book because it's two camps of people.

It's...

liberals angry because they thought the book was going to eviscerate Trump.

And so they bought it and then they read it and they're like, he didn't, he didn't go.

And, you know, interspersed in there is some people who actually did read the book who were like, actually, it's a great book, you know, whatever.