Coco Kahn

That's so interesting because obviously your new book is about centrism. And I was under the impression that Keir Starmer is a centrist. Have I got that wrong?

That's so interesting because obviously your new book is about centrism. And I was under the impression that Keir Starmer is a centrist. Have I got that wrong?

Well, actually, yeah, let's talk about centrism. What is it?

Well, actually, yeah, let's talk about centrism. What is it?

Does that mean that centrism, because my thought about it was that it's constantly relative. It's always moving depending on what's going on. You found that not to be right. It is absolute in that it has certain principles.

Does that mean that centrism, because my thought about it was that it's constantly relative. It's always moving depending on what's going on. You found that not to be right. It is absolute in that it has certain principles.

Yes.

Yes.

And also just to add on to that, are there like out of bounds areas? You know, you were talking about the centrism of the whole and you pick from everything to get the best of everything. It's hard to stomach that like a fascist would have good ideas. But is that central to the system of centrism?

And also just to add on to that, are there like out of bounds areas? You know, you were talking about the centrism of the whole and you pick from everything to get the best of everything. It's hard to stomach that like a fascist would have good ideas. But is that central to the system of centrism?

Nothing's off limits.

Nothing's off limits.

Got you, got you.

Got you, got you.

I keep going back to the thing of what is it? This is still this nebulous concept. You know, James Cleverley calls himself a centrist. Okay, Starmer doesn't call himself a centrist, but as we've discussed here, probably is a centrist. Is everybody a centrist?

I keep going back to the thing of what is it? This is still this nebulous concept. You know, James Cleverley calls himself a centrist. Okay, Starmer doesn't call himself a centrist, but as we've discussed here, probably is a centrist. Is everybody a centrist?

It just scares me when you don't know what it is. Do you know what I mean? The point of principles is that it is a barometer in which you can use it to assess things. When something is so slippery... You know, I find it unnerving in a personal way.

It just scares me when you don't know what it is. Do you know what I mean? The point of principles is that it is a barometer in which you can use it to assess things. When something is so slippery... You know, I find it unnerving in a personal way.

It's the old Goldilocks, right? Not too hot, not too cold, just right.

It's the old Goldilocks, right? Not too hot, not too cold, just right.