Coco Kahn

I had this little moment the other day where I was thinking, wow, over the summer, loads of us were scared to leave our houses. And now we're just expected to just forget about it. And it's weird. I think gaslighting is a really hoist word you use there. Yeah, I hear it.

I had this little moment the other day where I was thinking, wow, over the summer, loads of us were scared to leave our houses. And now we're just expected to just forget about it. And it's weird. I think gaslighting is a really hoist word you use there. Yeah, I hear it.

From one thing that disgusts you to another. This was my personal... I'm going to be quiet for a little bit. So one of the things that Starmer was keen to emphasise was a... Back down on benefits for all. That was his language, prompting critics within the party to say it was almost like George Osborne speaking again. I have to say this was my area of feeling like absolute disgust.

From one thing that disgusts you to another. This was my personal... I'm going to be quiet for a little bit. So one of the things that Starmer was keen to emphasise was a... Back down on benefits for all. That was his language, prompting critics within the party to say it was almost like George Osborne speaking again. I have to say this was my area of feeling like absolute disgust.

I couldn't believe it. I just can't believe that we're having any conversation around benefits that isn't about the fact that the sums are so paltry that the people who claim them, who many of them are in work and also unwell, are forced to choose between heating and eating, which I think should be what we talk about when we talk about benefits.

I couldn't believe it. I just can't believe that we're having any conversation around benefits that isn't about the fact that the sums are so paltry that the people who claim them, who many of them are in work and also unwell, are forced to choose between heating and eating, which I think should be what we talk about when we talk about benefits.

tiny problem compared to loads of other issues with the benefit sector. So anyway, so what's Starmer's play here, Zoe?

tiny problem compared to loads of other issues with the benefit sector. So anyway, so what's Starmer's play here, Zoe?

I really feel like we need to have a better conversation about benefits in this country. It's getting a little bit, on a personal level, I'm getting angry and I don't like me when I'm angry. So benefits is, of course, an enormously important topic and it does require more time than we have today.

I really feel like we need to have a better conversation about benefits in this country. It's getting a little bit, on a personal level, I'm getting angry and I don't like me when I'm angry. So benefits is, of course, an enormously important topic and it does require more time than we have today.

So next week, we're going to be looking at how these crackdowns can disproportionately affect minority groups and also just the fairness of the benefit system in general. If you've been affected by benefit sanctions in the past or have some thoughts you want to share, please do email in. I promise you this is a safe space.

So next week, we're going to be looking at how these crackdowns can disproportionately affect minority groups and also just the fairness of the benefit system in general. If you've been affected by benefit sanctions in the past or have some thoughts you want to share, please do email in. I promise you this is a safe space.

I can say as a child of a single parent mum who worked all hours of the day, we still needed some help from the benefit system. So this is very much a safe space and I understand how it can be. If you do want to email, the address is psuk at reducelistening.co.uk and don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already. You can catch us in your feeds next Thursday.

I can say as a child of a single parent mum who worked all hours of the day, we still needed some help from the benefit system. So this is very much a safe space and I understand how it can be. If you do want to email, the address is psuk at reducelistening.co.uk and don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already. You can catch us in your feeds next Thursday.

Right, exactly. I mean, it wouldn't cost anything to just say I understand the depth of feeling on this issue is a great moral question of our time. I'm committed to it. Why do you have to take a swipe at people who are not even in the room anymore? God, what is this?

Right, exactly. I mean, it wouldn't cost anything to just say I understand the depth of feeling on this issue is a great moral question of our time. I'm committed to it. Why do you have to take a swipe at people who are not even in the room anymore? God, what is this?

This is a democracy on this show, with our listeners as well. It was a suggestion.

This is a democracy on this show, with our listeners as well. It was a suggestion.

Do you think there's an issue that because they've already accepted some of them, there might be some political blowback? I wonder if maybe that's why there's a reluctance there.

Do you think there's an issue that because they've already accepted some of them, there might be some political blowback? I wonder if maybe that's why there's a reluctance there.