Cody Rhodes

Versus, again, indulgence and just doing it for the sake of doing it.

I feel very on a high horse over all this, and I'm not trying to be.

Because the old-time guys are like, whoa.

It's not about the five stars.

They make it so contentious right out of the gate.

It's everything, if that makes any sense.

I heard somebody say, well, if you watch it with the sound off, it's not any good.

And I wanted to be like, and excuse my language, who the is watching it with a sound on?

You know what I'm saying?

Talking about the face of the Indies, you having stayed a bit longer than I thought, do you have someone that you're looking at right now?

I have one that I just found.

I don't know enough.

Effort shaming, bro.

Wheatley.

So both those guys, Ben and Richard Holliday.

My two guys.

It was actually Andrew Schultz when I was doing Street Fighter.

It was the one who told me about Tommy Invincible.

And I watched him, who clearly looks like he's stolen a lot of your playbook.

Well, I love to, I need to, I need to, I need to look at these two guys.